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“It got past Theriot.”

Posted by Maddog on 06/21/08 at 02:31 PM • 57 Comments

In the first inning of today’s game, 2 outs, Carlos Quentin singles up the middle, just a bit to the left of the 2nd base bag.  Len immediately said as Edmonds is picking it up, “it got past Theriot.”  The funny thing about it was that It was about a good 1 to 2 seconds after the ball got into the outfield that Ryan Theriot came into the screen.  The replay showed Theriot to be 4.5 steps away from making the play.  Why am I mentioning this?  Because saying “it got past” somebody implies that the fielder was in the vicinity and maybe, just maybe, would make the play if it happened again.  But that’s not what happened on this play.


Saying “it got past Theriot” on that grounder would have been the same thing as Len saying “it got over the left fielder’s head” on a ball hit 575 into left field.  Like when Glenallen Hill hit one on the roof across the street.  “It got over the left fielder’s head.”  It didn’t get past Theriot.  He was nowhere near it.  Not even in the screen.  Maybe not in the same area code.  I don’t know.  I couldn’t see him for awhile.  As a matter of fact, it wasn’t even within Ryan Theriot diving range (RTDR), which is any ball hit within 37 feet of him.  Any chance to get some dirt on his uniform is usually not missed by our scrappy little shortstop.  So the fact it wasn’t even in RTDR makes Len’s statement just plain silly.  Do home runs also get past Ryan Theriot? 

Speaking of Ryan Theriot and defense, or, if you will, Ryan Theriot and fill in the blank because what he’s doing ain’t defense.  I’m sorry if I initially implied he did play defense.  Won’t happen again.

As of today, Ryan Theriot ranks 12th out of 20 qualified shortstops(ESPN has 20) in Range Factor and dead last in Zone Rating.  These are pretty basic defensive stats and have been improved upon quite a bit.

RZR (Revised Zone Rating) is a pretty good defensive stat.  Theriot ranks 16th out of 22 (THT has 22) in RZR at .817.  Since RZR only covers a specific zone and some players make many plays out of the zone, we have OOZ (Out of Zone), which counts the numbers of plays made outside the zone.  Theriot ranks 21st out of 22 in OOZ with only 13 plays.  Average is about 22. 

On June 8th, Colin took this same data (it’s changed somewhat over 2 weeks of course), but created a plus/minus system of plays made above or below average and then converted it to runs.  Theriot’s RZR at the time was .822 so he’s gotten worse in the last 2 weeks and he had made 13 OOZ plays as of June 8th, which he still has today.  His defense has gotten worse.

When Colin published his data, he was more than 3 plays worse than average for in zone plays, 6.5 below average in OOZ plays, and total plays combined -9.68 above the average shortstop.  Knowing what we know about the value of the out, in specific run value terms, Colin then calculated Runs in +/- fashion as well.  Theriot was -7.29 runs above average.  Ballpark guess at this point would put him at about -8.00 runs, perhaps a bit more.  So he’s essentially on pace to cost this team about 18 runs on defense.  EIGHTEEN!!!!

Earlier in the week, one of my favorites, Wrigleyville23, argued that we should ban ”a triple short of the cycle” from our vocabulary.  It’s now my turn to propose we ban “it got past Theriot.” 

Lots of shit gets past Theriot.  We don’t need to point it out every time.  In fact, I think we should just assume it always gets past Theriot and highlight when it doesn’t.  “It didn’t get past Theriot.  Holy shit!  Did you see that Bob?  It didn’t get past Theriot.  Wake the fuck up.  You may never see this again.” 

Sadly, what likely to follow that is the following:  “The runner beat the throw from Theriot.”  We’ll work on that one later.  One thing at a time.

Comments

1. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:20 PM

wow, two slams on theriot in one day, you’re gonna piss some crazies off.

2. Maddog — Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:22 PM

wow, two slams on theriot in one day, you’re gonna piss some crazies off.

They were already pissed off at me before so it doesn’t matter.  I’m surprised I don’t get hate mail.

3. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:36 PM

Ha - I saw that play. I thought he could just as well said “it got past derosa” or even “it got past bowa” or “it got past banks” or “it got past tinker” or well, you get the picture.

when the ball came off the bat, i thought “that might not get through.” i was wrong.

4. Maddog — Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:39 PM

when the ball came off the bat, i thought “that might not get through.” i was wrong.

I’ve come to expect that they all get through when hit anywhere near Theriot.  I mean, seriously, it’s hard to make fewer plays than he does.  Hector Villanueva wold probably play as good a shortstop as Theriot does.  I’m not positive I’m joking about that either.

5. Maddog — Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:42 PM

Oh yeah, Theriot’s OPS in June is a ridiculous .647.  That’s even worse than I would think he’s capable of.

6. Maddog — Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:44 PM

Ward’s playing 1st tonight for the I-Cubs.  I didn’t think he was going to go out on a rehab until early next week.

7. Maddog — Jun 21, 2008 @ 03:45 PM

Reed Johnson will go on the 15-day DL sometime soon (sounds like after Marshall is re-called).

8. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:02 PM

So… like, those are just defensive stats man. And we know those are flawed. I see what I see and TheRIOT is GOd!

9. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:02 PM

Ha! I was thinking the same thing when theriot was not even in the picture as Quentin’s ball went up the middle. Does theriot shade over to 3B more than others or what? It was terrible. Not only does his range stink, but he has so much trouble with routine grounders now, not to mention his noodley appendage.

10. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:03 PM

i remain squarely on the fence on mr. theriot. i would like to see him do well, but his batting 8th was telling.

that was lou’s equivalent of sending felix to boise.

11. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:05 PM

Reed Johnson will go on the 15-day DL sometime soon (sounds like after Marshall is re-called).

the news keeps getting better.

12. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:06 PM

I’m convinced that by this time next year the starting MIF’ers (not MILFs) will be Cedeno and Patterson. I’m saying I’m convinced because I don’t want to believe anything else. I’m an atheist so I have to use the faith part of my brain for something.

13. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:06 PM

mr. theriot

who are you, the new york times? (dying laughing)

14. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:08 PM

who are you, the new york times? (dying laughing)

yes. yes, i am.

15. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:11 PM

BTW, HG said something in the last thread about Lou hopefully benching Theriot once he starts to slow down. Unfortunately, as Maddog pointed out, his .647 OPS over the last three weeks shows he already has. This is why, when people say “ride the hot hand,” Bill James commands thee not to.

This is also why, for the first time in my entire life, I’ve ever actively rooted AGAINST a player on my favorite team. Some said, “I hope he does well, blah blah blah”, but I’ve wanted Theriot to suck all year. Since everyone was already in love w/ him, I felt a hot start to the season would permanently entrench him in the starting spot. It may have. I really, really hope I’m wrong and Lou won’t give Theriot too much more time.

16. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:31 PM

Theriot did bat 8th today so that’s a sign Lou has been paying attention. 

Just watch the difference between where Theriot plays and other better SS play defensively.  Cedeno plays closer to the back of the dirt where Theriot is in the middle of it. Even non-statheads can see he’s not the greatest SS. No range!

17. BellwetherMeltdown — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:33 PM

I cannot express how much I appreciate seeing these two posts. Excellent research all around. Hopefully Theriot dropping to 8th is a sign of things to come.

18. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:34 PM

Is it weird that they are waiting until Tuesday to put Johnson on the DL?  I get the retro-active part but they are basically going with a 24-man staff right now…not that calling someone up for 2-days is even worthwhile.

19. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:38 PM

BTW, HG said something in the last thread about Lou hopefully benching Theriot once he starts to slow down. Unfortunately, as Maddog pointed out, his .647 OPS over the last three weeks shows he already has. This is why, when people say “ride the hot hand,” Bill James commands thee not to

unfortunately Lou hasn’t noticed that theriot’s numbers have dropped off that much, and as I have said before, OPS isn’t that important at every position. Edmonds has almost made up for theriot’s offense since he got here. I’m not surprised Lou has kept him in the line-up, horrible defense and all. If he was a Neifi-like .260 BA and .298 OBP, Lou would get him the fuck out of there. But he isn’t that bad. Still a respectable .310/.385 or something like that.

that said, I hope we see Ronny playing more soon, but don’t count on it. This team can absorb theriot’s low OPS for a while to be honest.

20. BellwetherMeltdown — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:41 PM

Also, I didn’t see today’s game, and I only got to listen to the first 5 and a half innings. What happened to Marmol? In the play by play it looks like it was almost as bad as the Tampa outing, but he did get through the inning, was he getting squeezed or is he just losing control of his pitches?

He really didn’t look hurt to me during Thursday’s game, just that he couldn’t locate, but if that’s happened in back to back I’d almost rather his prognosis be a sore/tired arm than that he’s becoming Rich Hill/Rick Ankiel (though if he wants to become Rick Ankiel the outfielder, I’d be ok with that.)

21. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 04:51 PM

Marmol certainly wasn’t getting squeezed. He was all over the place, just like thursday night. He also doesn’t have an injury I’m aware of. Gordon Wittenmyer of the sun times asked Lou if it was “physical” in the post-game today and Lou sorta snapped back with a grin and said something like “the first thing you think of is physical, Gordon”. Cracked everybody up.

No, Maddog said this before and even Lou said that Marmol hasn’t been getting enough work lately, so he’s been off his game. That’s what’s wrong with Marmol apparently. He’s always been a bit wild and when he doesn’t pitch in 3 days, he’s rusty. Seems to be a consensus on that.

22. Maddog — Jun 21, 2008 @ 05:11 PM

Is it weird that they are waiting until Tuesday to put Johnson on the DL?  I get the retro-active part but they are basically going with a 24-man staff right now…not that calling someone up for 2-days is even worthwhile.

My first thought was that they’ll keep him around just in case they use him as a pinch hitter, which seems to be a possibility.  I’d just put him on the DL and call up somebody.

23. Maddog — Jun 21, 2008 @ 05:20 PM

I’d like to see Marmol get work tomorrow night so he can get back to back days in and hopefully start to get back on track.  I’m not worried at this point.  His velocity was probably better today, and in his previous outing in which he sucked, than it’s been all year.  He hit 97 a few times the other night and was consistently 94-96 today.  Marmol’s at his best when it’s 91-93.  The slider was moving all over the place as well.  I don’t think it’s an injury, just not enough work.

24. Maddog — Jun 21, 2008 @ 05:24 PM

I cannot express how much I appreciate seeing these two posts. Excellent research all around. Hopefully Theriot dropping to 8th is a sign of things to come.

I’m glad I can please.  The Cubs pretty much blew the White Sox out today, but those 2 things about Theriot just stuck out.  Not because it’s rare from him, but because it’s just common and the way Len and Bob talk about the guy it’s like they think he’s a superstar. 

Like JMan said, you don’t even need to be well versed in stats to see that Theriot is an awful defender.  Plays up 2 steps because his arm is shit and still has trouble getting the ball to 1st sometimes.  He doesn’t even have any range.  Seriously, I think his RF is 0.0.  There’s no way on god’s green earth he’s going to throw out any baserunner on a ball hit to his right.  It’s just not going to happen.  And he can only get to balls 2 steps to his left.

The one thing Theriot does well, however, is pop-ups.  He seems to go straight back pretty well, which is nice since Soriano plays such a deep LF.

25. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 05:44 PM

His velocity was probably better today, and in his previous outing in which he sucked, than it’s been all year.  He hit 97 a few times the other night and was consistently 94-96 today.

as I said earlier, Gordon Wittenmyer of the sun times asked Lou if anything was physically wrong with Marmol. Lou didn’t like the question. “That’s always the first thing you think isn’t it, Gordon? He was throwing 94! Just couldn’t get it across the plate”

Beat writers. That must be the worst part of being a manager. Even when things are going well- best record in baseball!- you still have to sit there in that stinking room and answer stupid questions. OK, that wasn’t one of the dumbest questions he would get, but you know what I mean. Imagine what it’s like in Boston or NY.

26. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 05:47 PM

The Cubs pretty much blew the White Sox out today, but those 2 things about Theriot just stuck out.  Not because it’s rare from him, but because it’s just common and the way Len and Bob talk about the guy it’s like they think he’s a superstar. 

it annoys me greatly. We’ve cited many examples of Brenly making excuses for theriot, but when Soriano loses one in the sun he flames away and dishes that “you could throw a dart at the cubs dugout and hit a better left fielder than Soriano” bullshit. Outrageous!

27. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 05:51 PM

There’s no way on god’s green earth

speaking of ‘god’s green earth’, the cubs should have left the grass really high like it used to be, because if anybody needed it, it’s theriot, (dying laughing).

28. HORNY GOAT — Jun 21, 2008 @ 05:56 PM

My first thought was that they’ll keep him around just in case they use him as a pinch hitter, which seems to be a possibility.  I’d just put him on the DL and call up somebody

what’s going on with Ascanio? Haven’t heard about him since he went back to Iowa. September should be interesting. Looking forward to it already.

29. — Jun 21, 2008 @ 06:26 PM

watching theriot throw is BRUTAL. for all the complaints one could make on the guy that’s my biggest.

not sure if cedeno has much to offer or if he just had a hot month.

31. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 03:35 AM

when Soriano loses one in the sun he flames away and dishes that “you could throw a dart at the cubs dugout and hit a better left fielder than Soriano” bullshit. Outrageous!

That still pisses me off.  It’s one thing to be critical of the players, but it’s another thing to say shit like.  That’s not being critical.  Being critical means you offer explanations.  Bob rarely does that, but he doesn’t like Soriano.  Never has.  Whatever.

I’ll be happy the day another MLB team hires him.  I just hopes it’s an NL Central club.

32. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 03:37 AM

what’s going on with Ascanio? Haven’t heard about him since he went back to Iowa. September should be interesting. Looking forward to it already.

Ascanio has sucked since getting sent back down.  Sometimes that demotion is hard to take for players and that appears to be the case here.  He should be in this bullpen right now.  Someone said the other day that Lieber had thrown less than 5 innings in June.  Why is he on the roster?  Seriously.  Why?

33. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 03:55 AM

Ryno has a 6th sense.  JefF7 just got promoted to Iowa.

34. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 03:58 AM

Ryno has a 6th sense.

Yeah he does.  I’ve learned not to disagree with him too much about that stuff because he’s right about it a hell of a lot more than I am.  This surprises me though.

35. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 04:00 AM

Considering what Iowa’s rotation is, why not promote Veal also?

36. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 04:03 AM

Colvin hasn’t had a good year at all, but he has almost doubled his walk total from last year and the season is just half over in the minor leagues.  He’s walked 29 times this year after walking all of 15 times last year.  That basically puts him on pace to walk about 55 times, which is outstanding improvement.  He’s always been able to hit so assuming that comes around again, he’s a legit prospect.

37. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 04:15 AM

The Cubs have now allowed the fewest runs in the NL.

38. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 04:27 AM

The Cubs have now allowed the fewest runs in the NL.

So, we could now say the Cubs are the following in the NL:

best offense
best pitching
best defense (based on BP’s defensive efficiency)

Not bad.

39. SS — Jun 22, 2008 @ 04:54 AM

Ryno has a 6th sense.  JefF7 just got promoted to Iowa.
Sounds like they are aiming at Marshall being permanent in the majors, I think this very well could mark the beginning of the end for Lieber.  When Zambrano comes back. Marshall could easily become the long man.

40. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 04:59 AM

Sabathia hit a 440ft HR yesterday.

it sure would be fun having him and Z battle out for best hitting pitcher.

41. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 05:01 AM

Sounds like they are aiming at Marshall being permanent in the majors, I think this very well could mark the beginning of the end for Lieber.

Or Marshall becomes top of the list on tradeable commodities.  Being a lefty starter that is good and cheap has to be worth mroe than we think.

42. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 05:32 AM

Being a lefty starter that is good and cheap has to be worth mroe than we think.

I think Marshall would be quite valuable to be honest.  I know Cubs fans seem to think of him as a 4th or 5th starter, but I’ve always looked at him as more of a number 2 starter.  He came up to the big leagues too soon in 2006 and held his own.  He was pretty damn good in the minor leagues before that and was good there last year.  He posted a 3.92 ERA in over 100 innings last season for the Cubs.  His “real” ERA is probably closer to 4.25 or so, but at his age, and lack of experience, I think he’s a pretty good starting pitcher.  He’s much more a 2 or 3 than a 4 or 5. 

If the Cubs don’t trade Marshall, and my guess is that they will, I think he’ll take Marquis’ spot in the rotation when Marquis starts to pitch like Jason Marquis. 

It’s tough to say though.  The Cubs have 2 young pitchers in Gallagher and Marshall that could be traded around the deadline.  Gallagher has more value, of course, but he’s also more valuable to the Cubs.  He seems to have nailed down a spot in the rotation for the foreseeable future according to Lou.  I don’t know if the Cubs can trade both of those guys.  Can they?

43. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 05:34 AM

It’s going to be nice to get Daryle Ward back.  Soriano wants to return before the break and Zambrano will probably be back on July 4th so the Cubs should be at full health by around the 10th of July or so.  It would be pretty nice to see the Cubs stretch their 3.5 game lead out to 4.5 or even 5.5 in the next couple of weeks because if they can do that, and they finally are healthy, it’s all over.  They could win the division by 10 games.

44. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 07:12 AM

Theriot isn’t good, but there aren’t any better options at short right now. Unless they make a trade for a better shortstop, which I really doubt, Cedeno is the only other choice. His OPS in June? a thunderous .367. In May it was .561. That blows, hard.

45. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 07:34 AM

I think in a “win at all costs” move, the Cubs absolutely and should trade Gallagher and Marshall for someone like Sabathia. You guys keep saying the Cubs don’t have enough to compete w/ other teams for Sabathia, but I’ve strongly disagreed. Marshall is a guy who has shown he is a legit ML starter. Gallagher is well on his way and might just be very close to “proven” come the end of July.

Two guys, who are, at the very least, 4th or 5th starters and possibly 3rd starters, and they’re basically Major League ready? Throw in two guys who aren’t proven but who can’t do much more in the minors in Pie and Patterson? (Although I don’t think Pie fits into their system w/ Sizemore locked up.) Or a Cedeno. If they could somehow keep Pie, I’d still feel pretty alright about the team’s future.

The Cubs farm system might not have the super high ceiling guys that others may have, but they have mid-ceiling guys that can contribute right away next year. I think that’s a big deal for a mid-market team.

Sure, anything can happen, but I choose to think that the Cubs are in as good of a position as anyone to snag Sabathia.

And quite frankly, my hope/belief is that the Cubs will be so far out ahead (or pulling away at least) that they can feel they can go w/ Zambrano, Sabathia, Dempster, Lilly, Marquis/Lieber knowing that the playoffs will only include the first four. How’s that for a 1-year, non-free agent improvement from a playoff team? Your second-best starter from a year ago becomes your 4th?

Anyway, that’s my thoughts.

46. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 08:13 AM

You guys keep saying the Cubs don’t have enough to compete w/ other teams for Sabathia, but I’ve strongly disagreed. Marshall is a guy who has shown he is a legit ML starter. Gallagher is well on his way and might just be very close to “proven” come the end of July.

I’m sure what I’ve said has sounded like that, but I’ve always believed that any organization has enough to get any one player.  I believe that to be true and the Cubs don’t have a terrible farm system so I’m sure they could get a deal done. 

I guess what’s not intrigued me so much about Sabathia is that I really thought the Indians would get back in contention, but they’re still under .500 and 6.5 or 7.5 out.  They’re an intelligent organization that knows when to throw in the towel so I think it’s a safe bet that Sabathia will be dealt barring a complete collapse by the Twins or Sox.

With Bedard now on the DL, Sabathia remains the only legit front of the rotation starter to be had unless you include Burnett, which I think he’s a top of the rotation pitcher.

It’s possible.  More possible than I may have thought a couple weeks ago.

47. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

Felix Pie was taken out of last night’s game in the 4th inning with an injured hand.  Don’t know the severity of it yet, but that could impact what the Cubs may be able to do around the deadline as I assume he was one of the Cubs big pieces to offer.

48. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 08:30 AM

The Indians still haven’t declared themselves buyers or sellers in the trade market, but among the teams reportedly lining up to trade for left-hander C.C. Sabathia should he become available are the Yankees, Phillies, Cubs, Red Sox, Rays, and Angels—John Perrotto, BP

49. Maddog — Jun 22, 2008 @ 08:31 AM

The Cubs are willing to package left-hander Rich Hill and outfielder Matt Murton in a trade for a starting pitcher or center fielder, though they have not inquired about Red Sox outfielder Coco Crisp lately.

50. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 08:50 AM

I think in a “win at all costs” move, the Cubs absolutely and should trade Gallagher and Marshall for someone like Sabathia. You guys keep saying the Cubs don’t have enough to compete w/ other teams for Sabathia, but I’ve strongly disagreed. Marshall is a guy who has shown he is a legit ML starter. Gallagher is well on his way and might just be very close to “proven” come the end of July.

looking at the indians’ lineup, i noticed that their power comes from the positions that are usually black holes…cf and ss…and everybody is lacking in the average department.  makes you wonder if they might have a place for some of the guys on the cubs who have been decent hitters but are rather shite when it comes to fielding.  matt murton comes to mind (though not so much on the power end, he might be better than what the indians have going on right now—but not the way he’s been playing), micah hoffpauir (though he’s older, the indians need to shake some things up, and he’s blocked in chicago) and some other guys who are still prospects aka tyler colvin (blocked by kosuke).  in addition to position players, they would need bullpen help and we have some guys younger guys that might be attractive.  anyway, wouldn’t it be great to try to pry asdrubal cabrera away (who at 22 might benefit from a change of scenery)?  a trade may exist that would make the indians not look like they are throwing in the towel.

and speaking of proven…damn we should have traded hill in the offseason.

also…i haven’t been around in a while and won’t be around much (moving, buying a home, working, finding a better job, two little ones…no room for sports) but isn’t it nice that the cubs are playing well despite being swept by tampa?

51. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 09:16 AM

Does anyone know anything about cars? I think a belt on my car just broke, but the steering had gone to crap (as in, really, really hard to turn it) and the battery light came on before that. And when I stopped, there was some acrid smoke/fog coming up when I lifted the hood. Not a lot, but some.

52. BellwetherMeltdown — Jun 22, 2008 @ 09:44 AM

I’m guessing you either lost power steering fluid or transmission fluid. I know VERY little about cars other than what I’ve experienced myself. Battery could be going too.

It might just need the fluid lines replaced and filled, or it could be a bigger problem, if you can get it into a mechanic that’s your best bet.

53. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 09:55 AM

sounds like your battery fucked itself (acrid smoke) and you are low on power steering fluid.

54. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 09:59 AM

wouldn’t it be great to try to pry asdrubal cabrera away

If even just to hear a couple of “Assdribble’s” come out of Santo’s mouth on the radio broadcast.

acrid smoke/fog coming up

That’s not a belt then.  If I had to guess I would say you fried your power steering motor.  Some cars don’t have an indicator light for everything (such as low power steering fluid) and will sometimes use the battery light to indicate a problem (though the check engine light is far more common).

55. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 10:06 AM

Well, I saw the belt completely off where it’s supposed to be, so I know that’s one thing fucked.

I’m guessing it’s just fucked. (from other reasons) I just need to get it to a mechanic. This is perfect timing considering I’m moving and all. :-) YAAAYYYY!!!

56. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 10:13 AM

Well, I saw the belt completely off where it’s supposed to be, so I know that’s one thing fucked.

I guess it would depend on where the belt belonged.  It’s possible that what you thought was smoke was actually steam and your fan belt snapped causing your radiator fan to stop and your car just overheated (by far the best case scenario).  Alternator belt wouldn’t have caused any of the aforementioned problems.  Power steering belt would fit my original prognosis.  And serpentine belt, I don’t think, would cause anything to smoke or steam, etc…  I think that’s it for belts.

57. — Jun 22, 2008 @ 12:40 PM

Well, the serpentine belt was totally fried. It feels like the water pump locked up. So I’m thinking maybe that locked up and the belt continued to fly around that causing the steam/smoke to be caused. That’s what I’m guessing the problem is. It might be something different, but I’m obviously taking it to a mechanic (or my cousin).

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