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Bill James 2009 projections

Posted by MB21 on 11/12/08 at 09:40 AM • 9 Comments

The 2009 Bill James Handbook is now out and, as always, projections for most of the players are included.  2 of the projection systems have already been released:  ZIPS and CAIRO.  For the Bill James projections I’m only going to list the rate stats (avg, obp, slg) for hitters and for pitchers I’m going to list the strikeout to walk ratio, baserunners per 9 innings and ERA. 


Cubs hitters

Geovany Soto:  .293/.370/.499
Derrek Lee:  .291/.376/.492
Mark DeRosa:  .273/.354/.430
Aramis Ramirez:  .291/.364/.524
Ryan Theriot:  .293/.366/.362
Alfonso Soriano:  .278/.332/.519
Kosuke Fukudome:  .274/.363/.439
Reed Johnson:  .276/.339/.396
Mike Fontenot:  .288/.363/.447
Felix Pie:  .275/.323/.434
Micah Hoffpauir:  did not do one

Cubs free agent hitters

Henry Blanco:  .227/.273/.343
Daryle Ward:  .250/.327/.415

Cubs starting pitchers (at this point)

Carlos Zambrano:  1.87 k/bb, 12.1 br/9, 3.56 era
Ted Lilly:  2.35, 11.9, 3.95
Rich Harden:  2.47, 10.8, 3.02
Jason Marquis:  1.44, 13.4, 4.60
Sean Marshall:  1.84, 12.6, 4.14

Cubs free agent starters

Ryan Dempster:  1.84, 12.9, 3.89
Jon Lieber:  did not do one

Cubs relievers

Neal Cotts:  1.85, 13.5, 4.50
Chad Gaudin:  1.82, 13.1, 4.19
Angel Guzman:  did not do one
Kevin Hart:  did not do one
Carlos Marmol:  2.11, 12.2, 3.55
Jeff Samardzija:  did not do one
Michael Wuertz:  2.36, 11.8, 3.58

Cubs free agent relievers

Chad Fox:  did not do one
Bob Howry:  3.25, 11.4, 3.72
Kerry Wood:  2.64, 11.7, 3.51

And, of course, Jake Peavy:  3.11, 10.9, 3.26

Peavy’s projections are for San Diego.  Were the Cubs to get him and he pitched half his games at Wrigley that ERA would rise up to around 3.40 or so.  That’s about a half run less per 9 innings than Ryan Dempster.  It now appears that it’s one or the other (Peavy or Dempster) so the difference is important to consider.  If they were to throw 220 innings that means that Dempster would allow about 12 more runs than Peavy.  That’s about a win.

But let’s even consider the 4.14 ERA projected for Marshall for a minute.  Marshall would allow about .75 more runs per 9 than Peavy, which is equal to 18 additional runs.  About a win and a half. 

If we were to include other projections the difference is likely to be about 1 run per 9 innings and closer to a 2 win difference between Marshall and Peavy.  Each come with their own issues.  Both have had a history of injuries and Marshall probably can’t throw 220 innings even if you wanted him to.  Peavy probably can’t either. 

The Cubs would be better off re-signing Dempster.  Even if they have to do it at a rate which they don’t want to pay.  If you do that, you still have Sean Marshall around who is a quality starting pitcher.  Ideally he would take Marquis’ spot in the rotation if the Cubs could trade Marquis, but Marshall could be used in a trade to get someone else. 

As much as I’d like to see Jake Peavy on the Cubs, I think there are better ways to use the talent the Cubs would have to send San Diego. 

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1. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 12:15 PM

I thought it would be useful to post a list of some of Jim Hendry’s best deals since he became general manager in July 2002:

December 4, 2002: sent Todd Hundley and Chad Hermansen to the Dodgers for Mark Grudzielanek and Eric Karros
July 23, 2003: sent Jose Hernandez, Bobby Hill and Matt Bruback to the Pirates for Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez
November 25, 2003: sent Hee Seop Choi and Mike Nannini to the Marlins for Derrek Lee
July 8, 2008: sent Eric Patterson, Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton and Josh Donaldson to the A’s for Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin
Now, answer this question honestly: how many of those deals did we hear a single peep about before they happened?

The correct answer is “None”, because they all seemingly happened out of nowhere, unexpected either for the player acquired (did anyone really think D-Lee was coming here? He was rumored to be headed to the Orioles, among others), or for the idea that they’d happen at all (how many of us thought Todd Hundley’s deal was dumpable?). My point is this: it seems the more we hear about a potential Cub trade, the less likely it is to happen.
—Al

Well there you have it.

2. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 12:34 PM

hm. we had two posts on the possibility of harden coming to the cubs before it happened.

3. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 12:36 PM

I recall Ryno and I discussing Aramis Ramirez for at least a month before the deal went down.  I also recall us discussing the possibility of Kenny Lofton being included in the deal. 

The Harden deal was surprising only because it came on the heals of the Brewers acquiring CC Sabathia.  I think everybody knew the Cubs would go get a really good player and probably a really good pitcher.

The other deals he talks about are salary dumps.  Al is an idiot.

4. J (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 12:45 PM

Al is an idiot.

Hey, he’s too busy with bathroom breaks, admiring the ivy/scoreboard, and passing out BCB cards to make any observations. You’re being mean.

5. ccd (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 12:52 PM

Al is an idiot.

loud sustained applause

6. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 12:55 PM

loud sustained applause

plus pi

7. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 01:10 PM

I don’t like the Bill James projections much. I don’t know why - I’m sure they’re at least decent, and I know they have a lot of smart people working at BIS. I went through every forecast reliability study I could remember, and can’t find anythink on the James projections, though. That… annoys me.

8. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 01:16 PM

I’m not the biggest fan either, Colin, but as you said, they’re at least decent and something to talk about.

9. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 12, 2008 @ 01:17 PM

I don’t like the Bill James projections much. I don’t know why

Because you hate freedom.

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