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Braves and Padres near deal for Jake Peavy

Posted by MB21 on 11/13/08 at 08:55 AM • 52 Comments

According to Scott Miller, the Braves and Padres are close to a deal for Jake Peavy.  It appears the Padres will ask Jake Peavy to waive his no-trade clause sometime today and the Braves want an answer before tomorrow’s free agent signing begins.  Miller does say that Peavy would prefer to play for the Cubs, but that sources believe the Cubs offer is inferior to that of the Braves. 

This probably means that Jim Hendry will cave in and give Ryan Dempster what he wants sometime today or tonight.  Today is the last day that the Cubs have exclusive negotiating rights with their 8 free agents.  The 8 free agents are Ryan Dempster, Kerry Wood, Jon Lieber, Chad Fox, Bob Howry, Henry Blanco, Jim Edmonds and Daryle Ward.  Most believe that the Cubs have interest in bringing only 3 of those guys back:  Dempster, Wood and Blanco.  I’m too lazy to locate the source, but Geovany Soto said the other day he was 100% certain Henry Blanco would be back with the Cubs.  Look for Hendry to sweeten his offers to both Dempster and Wood sometime today. 

[UPDATE @ 10:35 AM]  Ken Rosenthal says that the Braves are no closer to a deal for Peavy than they were. 

If the Braves are getting Jake Peavy, it’s news to them.

The Braves are on the verge of a trade agreement with the Padres for Peavy, according to CBSSportsline.com, but the Padres have yet to communicate their acceptance of a Braves’ offer to Atlanta officials, major-league sources say.

The Cubs also have not heard back from the Padres, sources say. Manager Lou Piniella downplayed his team’s pursuit of Peavy on Wednesday, calling it “only talk,” but the Cubs remain interested in making a deal.

It is possible that the Padres have decided internally to proceed with the Braves, then finalize the details later Thursday. The teams spoke again on Wednesday, continuing discussions that have lasted for over a month.

Mark Bowman agrees. 

The Braves had some reason to be encouraged when they saw CBS Sportsline.com’s report that they might be nearing completion of a deal to land Jake Peavy.  But at the same time, they were also somewhat surprised because they hadn’t gained that same sense through their latest conversations with the Padres.

Braves general manager Frank Wren and Padres general manager Kevin Towers have talked about Peavy for more than a month and the Braves have provided multiple offers over the last week.  But as of Thursday morning, the Braves hadn’t gained a sense that they were any “closer” to getting Peavy than they’d been at any point earlier this week.

With that being said, a deal could still certainly be completed at some point today as long as the Padres are satisfied with the offer and Peavy agrees to waive his no-trade clause.

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1. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:27 AM

sources believe the Cubs offer is inferior to that of the Braves. 

So the Cubs offer must have been you and me.

Peavy would be great, but I’d still go Lowe-Peavy-Dempster in that order. Zambrano should have started Game 1, though it probably wouldn’t have made a difference.

Z, Harden, Lilly, Dempster would be a fine playoff rotation. Z, Lowe, Harden, Lilly would be better, imo.

2. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:33 AM

If acquiring the 2 pitchers (Lowe or Peavy) involved only a contract, I’d rather have Peavy of course.  Since acquiring Peavy is beginning to look expensive I’d much rather have Lowe as well. 

What I’d like to see the Cubs do is wait until tomorrow.  Then tell the Padres they need an answer and if it’s no, which it probably will be, offer Lowe a 3 year deal for $50 million.  Supposedly all he wants is 3 years.  Let his agent know you’re willing to negotiate and want a deal done as quickly as possible.  If that’s not possible, then re-sign Dempster and move on to the offense.

3. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:35 AM

Then tell the Padres they need an answer and if it’s no, which it probably will be, offer Lowe a 3 year deal for $50 million.  Supposedly all he wants is 3 years.  Let his agent know you’re willing to negotiate and want a deal done as quickly as possible.  If that’s not possible, then re-sign Dempster and move on to the offense.

I’d make SD a fair offer and tell them they have until midnight to accept it. The rest of my plan would go as yours. I’d make a call to Lowe asap either way.

4. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:36 AM

Ryno, I’ve been following along over at NSBB the last couple of days.  That place is hilarious.  It’s even funnier than BCB.  I can’t believe I’ve missed it all of this time.

5. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:40 AM

That place is hilarious.  It’s even funnier than BCB.  I can’t believe I’ve missed it all of this time.

I’m telling you… That place is my second stop every morning. If you want a lot of fun, check out the game threads during a losing streak.

6. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:40 AM

If the Cubs were planning to have both Peavy and Dempster in the rotation then I’d say go after both. 

i wonder how expensive Furcal is going to be.  A lot of teams appear to be after him but not sure if they have limitations.  Most teams might only be willing to do 2 years and so the Cubs go very well offer 3 and that might snag him.

Did someone post a blurb about DeRosa being quoted saying he would prefer to move to SS since he came up as one and so it’s natural for him?  After Lou mentioned having to be creative this might be an option they are considering and bringing in Hudson for 2B.

8. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:44 AM

I’m telling you… That place is my second stop every morning. If you want a lot of fun, check out the game threads during a losing streak.

Everytime meph posts he usual condescending BS I just want to reply with “JR Towles, ROY…book it. Done:”

9. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:46 AM

says the marlins need to be “wowed” but that’s a such a lame word to use. Does being “Wowed” mean something similar to a Peavy deal or do they just want 2 decent prospects or a major-league ready player or two?

10. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:47 AM

Everytime meph posts he usual condescending BS I just want to reply with “JR Towles, ROY…book it. Done:”

He cracks me up. He posts opinions as if they were facts and calls people stupid or retarded for disagreeing with him. I recently learned he’s a student at Texas, which really bums me out. I wish I were back there so I could kick his “King Message Board” ass all over Austin.

11. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:49 AM

Gordon Wittenmyer talked to his sources and agrees with Lou Piniella’s indication that the Cubs are not serious about Jake Peavy. Wittenmyer believes San Diego sources were putting the Cubs rumors out there to drive up the price. He says the Cubs are focused on acquiring an athletic lefthanded hitter this winter.
—mlbtraderumors

Maybe Hendry and Towers were talking about a Giles deal and Hendry agreed to help drive up the price on Peavy.

12. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:49 AM

He cracks me up. He posts opinions as if they were facts and calls people stupid or retarded for disagreeing with him. I recently learned he’s a student at Texas, which really bums me out. I wish I were back there so I could kick his “King Message Board” ass all over Austin.

Oh yeah…done deal. Sealed.

13. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:50 AM

If the Cubs could get Giles, Lowe and Furcal this offseason I’d be awfully happy.

14. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:53 AM

Maybe Hendry and Towers were talking about a Giles deal and Hendry agreed to help drive up the price on Peavy.

That’s certainly possible.  The two are good friends and I don’t see the Padres holding onto Giles.  Cubs want a lefty with some power to play RF.  Giles was one of the best RF in baseball last year. 

Then sign Lowe and Furcal and trade for a good reliever or two.

15. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:53 AM

If the Cubs could get Giles, Lowe and Furcal this offseason I’d be awfully happy.

That’s pretty close to my ideal offseason. I’d prefer a younger RF, but I won’t be picky.

Sorryano
Drunkal
AssRam
Giles
Lee
Soto
OfRose
Pie/Johnson

Z, Lowe, Harden, Lilly, Marquis/JefF7/Marshall

16. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 10:55 AM

speaking of relievers to round out the team, how about Joe Beimel and Juan Cruz?

17. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:01 AM

Juan Cruz

I’d rather have Andy Pratt.

18. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:04 AM

I highly doubt Giles goes anywhere. He was already quoted saying that he thinks they can compete. With his full 10/5 rights he will pretty much veto any trade unless the Padres tell him outright that he has no purpose on the team.  Giles did mention he’d be open to a trade if they were out of the running at the trade deadline so it might take until then to get him.

19. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:16 AM

why would the Padres exercise his $9 million option when they’re trying to cut payroll in half?  I’d be surprised if he’s a Padre in 2009, but who knows?

20. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:18 AM

On what planet is Raul Ibanez considered athletic?  Is the quote being mis-construed that Lou wants the team to find a LH hitter for right-field and then get someone younger and more athletic to play SS or 2B?

21. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:27 AM

You have to remember the source, JMan.  Gordon Whittenmyer is the most clueless sportswriter around.

22. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:29 AM

why would the Padres exercise his $9 million option when they’re trying to cut payroll in half?  I’d be surprised if he’s a Padre in 2009, but who knows?

It doesn’t make senes to me either.  So either they’ve talked to him and told him they were trading him and thus the reason it took almost up until the deadline to exercise the option.  Or they figured they could trade him at mid-season and save money as well as get some more major-league ready talent for him.

At this point I’d rather the Cubs go after Giles. He’s exactly what they want and has 1-year left on his deal.  In fact I’d love it if they could pull off a Giles/Greene trade but the Cubs would need to jettison Marquis first.

23. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:31 AM

It doesn’t make any sense.  I just don’t see how a team cutting payroll in half exercises the option for a guy making what would be nearly 25% of their payroll.  I think he’s gone.  Either that or San Diego is insane.

24. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:39 AM

I updated the post.

25. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 11:51 AM

27. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 01:33 PM

why would giles accept a cubs trade now and not at the deadline last year?

28. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 01:35 PM

how about Joe Beimel and Juan Cruz?

  I’m definitely all for Cruz.  The nice thing is that this year there are a lot of relievers so the mid-tier market should be semi-sane.

29. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:02 PM

30. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:25 PM

Apparently it’s Ceda for Gregg.  Yikes, that seems steep.

31. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:39 PM

On Cubs.com: Gregg for Ceda

32. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:39 PM

The Chicago Cubs have acquired Florida Marlins reliever Kevin Gregg, sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney.

The Marlins received 22-year-old right-hander Jose Ceda in return, according to sources.

Gregg, who was Florida’s closer for most of the 2008 season, saved 29 games last season and was 7-8 with a 3.41 ERA. He blew nine saves for the Marlins in 2008.

Could this mean that we have seen the end of the Kerry Wood era ???  Or is he a replacement for Bob H…  ??

33. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:39 PM

yuck

34. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:43 PM

No agreement, says Yahoo’s Tim Brown, but “some movement” in talks with the Braves. Brown’s source also says the Cubs’ offer was much better than reported.
—mlbtraderumors

35. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:45 PM

No agreement, says Yahoo’s Tim Brown, but “some movement” in talks with the Braves. Brown’s source also says the Cubs’ offer was much better than reported.

I think the Padres are trying to use the Cubs to up the Braves’ ante.

36. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:49 PM

Hendry is awful.

One of the worst GMs of the past fifty years.
—NSBSer in response to the Ceda/Gregg trade

Personally, I dont’ really care. He’s either a Cub for a year before he walks for—I would assume—at least a sandwich pick after this year or he’s flipped to SD or some other team.

37. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:52 PM

I think the Padres are trying to use the Cubs to up the Braves’ ante.

Do you think we really landed on the moon?

38. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:52 PM

Personally, I dont’ really care. He’s either a Cub for a year before he walks for—I would assume—at least a sandwich pick after this year or he’s flipped to SD or some other team.

that’s why I love NSBS.  They whole-heartedly over-react to the smallest trades.  Obviously the Cubs don’t feel Ceda is ready to be at the ML-level for a championship team and so they got a guy that stands the chance of having a pretty good year as a reliever.

39. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 02:56 PM

Obviously the Cubs don’t feel Ceda is ready to be at the ML-level for a championship team and so they got a guy that stands the chance of having a pretty good year as a reliever.

They obviously think Gregg is more valuable to the organization than Ceda…via trade or use this year. He also could net a draft pick next year. The trade could be Ceda for a portion of Peavy or a year of Gregg and a sandwich pick.

40. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:00 PM

Blah. Like the new layout guys, I’m back from my Cubs depression hiatus

41. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:06 PM

My guess is that Gregg stays.  Hendry has said a few times they wanted to get better in the bullpen.  If Wood comes back this guy essentially replaces Howry and that’s an immediate upgrade.  Cub fans are just going to have to get used to Hendry trading guys like Ceda for the immediate future.  At the very least he has a great year in his FA year and nets a nice draft pick.

42. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:08 PM

Gregg was a nice pick up. If Gaudin, Gregg, Marmol, Wood. Thats a nice bullpen.

assuming they resign wood.

43. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:10 PM

Ceda’s got a high upside, but he’s also got a lot of risk - his control issues are a major concern. The Cubs are giving up on that upside, but they’re also getting the Marlins to take on that risk.

I don’t see Gregg as our closer next year - Marmol is next in line for that job. But I do think this is insurance against Wood leaving.

44. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:17 PM

I don’t see Gregg as our closer next year - Marmol is next in line for that job. But I do think this is insurance against Wood leaving.

Both Gregg and Marmol are more useful in a fireman role. The question is does Woody really need the money anymore? Hes lived in Chicago for 10 years now and gotten plenty of cash and he has a son now. He is essentially settled in here.

My belief is that as long as the cubs make a remotely reasonable offer he will stay. (ala Roy Oswalt in Houston)

45. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:36 PM

this says wood is gone but doesn’t back it up

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008/11/kerry-wood-and-cubs-split.html

46. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:36 PM

Hendry said that Wood and the Cubs will part ways. 
From a pure fan perspective that really sucks.  Wood is one of my favorite players.  From a logic, team building standpoint I am fine and maybe a little happy to see the Cubs use that money for a player that will probably a bigger impact on the team’s success overall.

47. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:40 PM

48. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:42 PM

this says wood is gone but doesn’t back it up

We’ll see, but that’s going to really suck. I know that letting him go and getting two draft picks is good in the long run, but our bullpen just got a lot weaker. Our closer spot MIGHT have been upgraded, but our “fireman” role just went from Marmol to Gregg.

49. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:44 PM

Swisher goes the Yankees for Jeff Marquez Busy day in baseball.

That’s it?! We trade Lee Smith Jr. for Bullpen Marquis and NYY gets Nick Swisher for Mark Holliman?

50. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:45 PM

If Hendry brings in Cruz and a lefty I think overall the BP will be better.

51. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:46 PM

That’s it?! We trade Lee Smith Jr. for Bullpen Marquis and NYY gets Nick Swisher for Mark Holliman?

I think the 21M owed to Swisher impacted what they got back.  KW probably just wanted out from underneath that contract moreso than taking the chance that teams would walk away and he’d be stuck on the White Sox.

52. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 13, 2008 @ 03:48 PM

new thread up

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