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Dempster turns down Cubs offer

Posted by MB21 on 11/16/08 at 04:01 PM • 19 Comments

According to John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus, Ryan Dempster turned down the Cubs 4 year, $52 million offer.  This isn’t really news since we all knew there was little chance he’d sign for that kind of money after having the kind of season he did in 2008.  A lot of teams are interested in him ad he reportedly wants 5 years and $75 million.  I don’t think he’ll have a problem getting that, especially if CC Sabathia takes the Yankees 6 year, $140 million offer.  This is Dempster’s last big payday, and maybe his only big payday.  Cubs fans will likely be upset with Dempster for turning it down after repeatedly saying he wants to remain with the team, but Dempster is making the right decision.  Why take $50 million when you can get $75 million?  He shouldn’t have to settle for less and it appears he won’t. 

Of particular interest in this piece by Perrotto is where he says it’s still distinctly possible that Kerry Wood returns to the Cubs at a below market rate for one year since he’s not getting much interest on the free agent market. 

Below is the interesting part in the article.

Despite their seemingly ugly breakup this past week, some close to the situation believe that free agent Randy Johnson will still be in a Diamondbacks’ uniform on Opening Day, though the Dodgers and Cubs have interest in the veteran left-hander. ... Also breaking up to make up could be Kerry Wood, who may return to the Cubs on a low-budget contract with the market for relief pitching this winter flooded, and in light of the limited interest being shown in the big right-hander by other teams. ... Dempster re-signing with the Cubs is no longer a certainty after he turned down a four-year, $50 million offer, especially since they want to have money available to sign a left-handed hitting outfielder, either Bobby Abreu or Raul Ibanez. ... The Braves are interested in Dempster, Burnett, and Lowe after failing to complete a trade with the Padres for right-hander Jake Peavy. Padres GM Kevin Towers is looking to bring a third team into the discussion in an effort to restart the talks

Paul Sullivan said the other day that re-signing Dempster was Plan A with acquiring Jake Peavy as the back-up to plan A.  That makes it Plan B, but Sullivan doesn’t know his alphabet apparently and went on to say that Plan B would be the Cubs signing Randy Johnson and Plan C would be Ben Sheets.  The Cubs obviously have nothing in the system that can get a deal done for Peavy and Hendry has said he wants the pitching situation figured out before the Winter Meetings begin in a few weeks.  It would make sense that Hendry would act fast now that Dempster has turned down his offer and he’d be wise to leave the Peavy negotiations the way the Braves did. 

Several places have reported that the Cubs won’t go to 5 years in their offer with Dempster and some have speculated that they offered him as much money as they would.  So unless Perrotto’s source is incorrect, Ryan Dempster is gone and the Cubs will get 2 draft picks.  That’s 4 extra draft picks so far.  Word on the street is that the Giants may sign Howry before December 7th, which would give them another 2 picks without having to take the risk of offering him arbitration. 

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1. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 05:24 PM

If the Giants sign Howry before December 7th, we all need to send Brian Sabean a fruit basket or something. And while seeing Wood back would be awesome, I’m not holding my breath. It would be awesome though.

2. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 05:29 PM

To be honest, I’d offer Howry arbitration.  I don’t think he’d accept it and even if he did, the Cubs could release him in spring training and only pay one-sixth of his salary.  I think $600-800K is worth the risk when the reward is 2 draft picks.  And if he happened to flash that 95 mph fastball in spring training, just keep him.

3. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 05:29 PM

I don’t see Wood returning either, but thought it was interesting that he’s not getting much interest.  Seems his injuries must be scaring off a lot of teams.

4. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 06:55 PM

Perotto also believes that the Cubs are basically going to sign Abreu or ibanez.  Not exactly earth-shattering but that would indicate they are having problems making a trade for a RF.  Although I think between RF and SS we’re definitely going to see something unexpected.

I’d be fine if they offer Howry arb.  He’s just as likely to rebound as he is to trend downwards.  Still, if the Giants are willing to sign him prior to Dec 7th then great!!

5. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 07:34 PM

I completely agree MD. Why not offer him arbitration? There really is not that much risk in doing that, and for the sake of potentially two draft picks I think you have to take it.

My question is this: how credible is Perrotto really? I mean, maybe I’m wrong here but it doesn’t really seem like much of what he speculates actually ever happens. Abreu wouldn’t shock me, but I think that Ibanez would be a bad move. The guys at USS Mariner say that this guy just has no buisness playing any outfield spot in the major leagues, so I think he’d probably have a tough time in right at Wrigley.

With that being said, I hope he is right when it comes to Dempster and Wood. If we could keep Kerry on a one-year deal I would be thrilled. And if it’s gonna take 5 years and $70-75M keep Dempster I say fuck it. Way too risky.

To be honest, I’m really surprised that we haven’t heard the Cubs being in on Derek Lowe at all…

6. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 08:25 PM

To be honest, I’m really surprised that we haven’t heard the Cubs being in on Derek Lowe at all…

well if going to 75M prevents them from an OF then it explains why Lowe hasn’t been a rumor.  I think the hope was that Dempster would sign for below-market but that’s not going to happen.

7. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 08:43 PM

Dunn might still be under the radar as a potential landing spot.  If the Cubs are seriously considering Ibanez then there’s no reason Dunn shouldn’t be part of the conversation.  He’d be brutal and end up the focus of many Cub fans ire with that defense but his bat is everything they are looking for in 2009.

8. Harry Pavlidis (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 09:05 PM

Dunn would be like Hoffpauir plus 80 walks and 20 home runs.

9. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 09:40 PM

Dunn would be like Hoffpauir plus 80 walks and 20 home runs.

i can’t figure out how people would feel about dunn. on the surface, he would be despised. on the other hand, he’s white.

10. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:07 PM

on the other hand, he’s white.

And hits HRs a long ways…sort of the shiny object Cub fans love.

11. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:10 PM

Dunn would be like Hoffpauir plus 80 walks and 20 home runs.

If that’s true then sign me up. I was thinking Dunn was worse on defense.
I suppose the argument is that his defense is terrible in RF but basically he and Fukudome are exact opposites in terms of defense/offense.  Only Dunn’s offense makes-up for his short-comings.

12. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:12 PM

Dunn’s defense and prodigious amount of strikeouts would still probably piss off a lot of dumb Cubs fans who wouldn’t be able to recognize his value as a hitter. Even if he is white. I’m all for it though.

13. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:13 PM

Dunn’s defense and prodigious amount of strikeouts would still probably piss off a lot of dumb Cubs fans who wouldn’t be able to recognize his value as a hitter. Even if he is white. I’m all for it though.

Isn’t there a general rule stating that whatever most Cub fans hate we should probably support because it’ll improve the ballclub?

14. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:14 PM

on the other hand, he’s white.

That reminded me of a poll question I set up earlier today.  I’ll post it in a few minutes.

15. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:15 PM

Isn’t there a general rule stating that whatever most Cub fans hate we should probably support because it’ll improve the ballclub?

Yes. Yes there is.

16. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:15 PM

Isn’t there a general rule stating that whatever most Cub fans hate we should probably support because it’ll improve the ballclub?

Yes, I believe Ryno started that.

17. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:18 PM

a non-white player isn’t wanted in san francisco.

(you guys will love that one)

18. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:22 PM

new thread up

19. MB21 (view all comments) — Nov 16, 2008 @ 10:26 PM

That’s good stuff, WV.  The stupidity of some is mindboggling.  The fact some of these idiots actually have jobs to write about the sport they know nothing about is just funny.  It would be like paying me to do surgery on your heart.

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