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Milton Bradley, In His Own Words

Posted by Mercurial Outfielder on 01/06/09 at 08:39 AM • 187 Comments

From the New York Times:

At about 10:45 a.m. on Sunday, I was in the clubhouse in Baltimore in the middle of a domino game with Eddie Guardado, Gary Pettis, and Eric Hurley. Ron Washington was standing over my shoulder talking trash like he always does and had everybody laughing hysterically when he asked me to come see him in his office for a minute.

I dropped everything and headed to his office wondering: “What have I done now?”

He gave me the news and a congratulatory hug, with a smile, but told me to keep the news quiet until it was officially announced. I went back to the domino game like nothing happened but Eddie being the wise vet already knew what’s up. He just smiled and gave me dap on making my first All-Star team.

Besides the birth of my son, I don’t think I’ve had a prouder moment in my life. The embrace with Wash was a special one. It felt like a father-son moment to me. In 30 years, I’ve never really had one of those so I can only imagine that’s what it must feel like.

As a 16-year-old sophomore at Long Beach Polytechnic High School in California, I could only dream there would be days like that one. I knew I wanted to be a major leaguer. Following in the footsteps of the great Tony Gwynn (Poly’s most esteemed baseball alumnus) I feel like I’ve finally arrived. Taking the field in the Big Apple for the final year of historic Yankee Stadium, where so many greats have stood before me, I am humbled. This is why Jackie Robinson endured unspeakable hate and prejudice. So I — some 60 odd years later — have the opportunity to play this great game of baseball. So I can stand up and be recognized. So I can be proud to be who I am. So I can be proud to be an American.

Last September, I was being peeled up off the dirt in San Diego with a torn ACL. I was completely written off by the baseball world. I was barely given a chance to be ready to play by the All-Star break, let alone be a part of the annual celebration. But my hard head refused to listen to the nay-sayers. “I’ll be ready for opening day,” I arrogantly proclaimed last December before I was even able to jog.

But that’s where my mother Charlena Rector comes into play. Well actually, she’s been a part of things since day one. She kept me in school every single day (perfect attendance my whole life), in church every Sunday and she guided me through the trials and tribulations of this crazy career I’ve chosen. “God is able,” she always says. And my faith in God never allowed me to waver from His perfect plan. I haven’t necessarily taken the most direct route, but I made it.

This is the man that Cub fans can’t wait to hate.  The man that they can’t wait to see injured so they can look at his defenders and say “I told you so.” A man who’s willing to admit his mistakes. A man that voluntarily entered an anger management program because he realized he wasn’t handling things in the right way. Has he made mistakes? Yes. That means little more than he is human. We’ve all made mistakes, and done things of which we are not proud. I’m no better than Milton Bradley and thus am in no position to sit in judgment of him.  Here’s what I see in Milton Bradley: a passionate man, and fierce competitor; an incredibly talented baseball player; a man with a real appreciation for the game and its history; and a man who’s made some real mistakes in his life, but is willing to do what it takes to atone for them and get back on the right track.  He doesn’t need to be sat down and straightened out; he needs to be embraced by the clubhouse and told that he’s a member of the team and that the team has his back. He needs to be told that the drunken, bigoted frat boy crowd in RF is going to say terrible things to him when he makes a mistake, and he needs to know that his teammates have gone through it and will support him when it happens, because it will.

/end rant.

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1. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 09:58 AM

And my faith in God never allowed me to waver from His perfect plan. I haven’t necessarily taken the most direct route, but I made it.

And so many Cubs fans want to ignore his perseverance to get to that point.  He’s done some bad things, but haven’t we all?  This is good stuff, pmayo.  I’m glad you found it.

2. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:01 AM

And so many Cubs fans want to ignore his perseverance to get to that point.

Yep. The man cut the recovery time for his knee injury in half.  He couldn’t wait to get back on the field.  This is the guy I want on my team.  Funny how these people will flood Wrigley with praise for Kerry Wood doing this kind of thing, but refuse to even acknowledge when Bradley does it.

3. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:07 AM

A lot of fans are all upset because he went after an announcer.  However that guy completely attacked his character and not his play.  I think it’s a big pile of BS that some road announcer that barely knows the guy has the balls to sit and attack him.  Bradley had a right to be pissed IMO.  Could he have handled it better? Maybe but who is to say anything bad would have occurred if he actually got to confront the man.

4. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:10 AM

You really wanna see Al go ape shit.

That probably means the Cubs have a good team.

5. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:10 AM

The announcer from what I read on a Royals blog not only attacked his character, but did so the entire series. 

Oh yeah, this was obviously written by a lazy person.  A non-lazy person (aka white person) would blog about their feelings or give Al Yellon an interview.

6. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:11 AM

5.9 R/G is 955 runs over 162 games.  Figure 5.6 (conservative) with injury replacements and days off and you’re still over 900 runs.  This offense is going to be ridiculous.

7. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:12 AM

Updated - 9:46pm C.T. - Bruce Levine just reported on XM Radio with Joe Casellano that the third year on Bradley’s contract is not guaranteed. The third year is a vesting option based on games played in the first two seasons.
—chicagocubsonline

8. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:12 AM

It might be unprofessional that he went after Lefebvre; but the guy is a jerk. My dad lives down there and he says the guy is known for really going after players he dislikes. Yes, players should be able to control your emotions, but where’s the call for the announcer to be a professional?  It’s one thing to be critical of a player; it’s another thing to openly attack him, a la Brenly’s “throw a dart” comment. Lefebvre crossed the line, yet Bradley is the one called unprofessional. It’s high time that idiots like the Brennamans, Brenly, Buck, and Lefebvre are held accountable for their words. I’m not saying the players themselves should do it, but someone def should.

9. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:13 AM

This offense is going to be ridiculous.

Yeah, but what’s their R+RBI? Their WP+PB/G? (dying laughing)

10. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:15 AM

The Cubs and Padres appeared close to a deal for Jake Peavy in Las Vegas, but the Padres backed away, leaving the Cubs convinced that someone over Kevin Towers’ head pulled the plug.
—yahoo sports

11. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:16 AM

I think it was mentioned here earlier, but most of the incidents that people cite in cases against Milton are just incidences where he was standing up for himself. 

God forbid if people who aren’t professional baseball players be held accountable for what they say or do.

12. Klute (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:18 AM

IMHO, this is the exact type of fierce competitor needed in a clubhouse full of miss congeniality finalists to prevent another sleep walk through the playoffs.

13. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:20 AM

The Cubs and Padres appeared close to a deal for Jake Peavy in Las Vegas, but the Padres backed away, leaving the Cubs convinced that someone over Kevin Towers’ head pulled the plug.

I’ve heard so many conflicting reports on this deal, I’m beginning to wonder if it ever really got off the ground.  Maybe the Padres sale saved Jake Peavy from coming to a winning team. The Padres lost 99 games last season and they have added exactly zero pieces. They’re going to suck again, so maybe if we don’t get Peavy now, we get him in July, after Moorad and Co. realize they have a rebuilding project on their hands.

14. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:21 AM

That article does a great job of reminding you the Bradley isn’t this bad awful guy he has been made out to be Michael Young has the best quote

“I think that Josh needs to be apologetic for some things that he’s done in the past. And I think he’s sincerely apologetic. Milton doesn’t see the need to apologize for the things that he’s done. What’s he have to apologize for, you know? Throwing some balls on the field? Who cares?”

by nji232 on Jan 6, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply   0 recs

If Michael Young is wondering what Bradley has to apologize for… … it’s running after Ryan Lefebvre. Who knows what might have happened if he hadn’t been stopped? I don’t see other players who get criticized by visiting broadcasters going up to “introduce themselves”, as Bradley so quaintly put it.

Let’s hope there are ZERO incidents with him in a Cubs uniform.

“That’s my opinion and if you don’t like it, well, I have others.” ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 6, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply   0 recs

Wow. Michael Young was there and he didn’t think it was terrible Al is going by newspaper reports…

I think people should realize that sportswriters do the same thing, with nothing to back their claims up — only since it appears in print, it somehow gains more credence.

It shouldn’t.

“That’s my opinion and if you don’t like it, well, I have others.” ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 6, 2009 4:29 AM CST up reply   0 recs

Al should just quite before he’s more behind. Also, I hope there is a daily Milton Bradley incident.

15. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:23 AM

incidents that people cite in cases against Milton are just incidences where he was standing up for himself.

I like it. I’m sick of fans, announcers and whoever just running their mouths without fear of repercussion. Just like SDSJM. While these people are paid well, they’re humans. If you poke them, they’re going to respond. So don’t poke them and cry like a bitch when they bite. People like SDSJM make me want to kill and eat them.

16. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:25 AM

Al wants to hate Milton Bradley. He wants Milton Bradley to fail because Milton Bradley doesn’t fit into Al’s sepia-tone vision of what a baseball team should be. So let him. Let him hate. And every ball that Milton mashes will be like coals heaped on his slouch-capped head.

17. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:26 AM

I think people should realize that sportswriters do the same thing, with nothing to back their claims up — only since it appears in print, it somehow gains more credence.

It shouldn’t.

I wonder how his buddy Bruce Miles feels about that statement.

18. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:27 AM

Wait… I just thought… Think Bradley will stick up for Soriano, too? Wait ‘til Brenley gets from Milton for saying something retarded about Soriano.

19. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:28 AM

So let him. Let him hate. And every ball that Milton mashes will be like coals heaped on his slouch-capped head.

What’s really annoying, though, is that Al will praise Milton if he does well here. He’ll give credit to people around him for straightening out and making him play well. When Milton does bad, Al will blame Milton. When he does well, Al will give him zero credit. Done deal sealed.

20. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:29 AM

I wonder how his buddy Bruce Miles feels about that statement.

He would probably laugh, considering the source. A TV news producer calling into question the integrity of a print journalist is like Al Yellon making fun of Pauly Shore for not being masculine.

21. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:31 AM

Think Bradley will stick up for Soriano, too? Wait ‘til Brenley gets from Milton for saying something retarded about Soriano.

Soriano handled that one himself: “Who’s Bob Brenly? The guy who used to be the manager for Arizona?  I don’t pay attention to what they say, because they pay them to say that. I don’t take it personally. I do my job in the game. Whatever he says, that’s fine for him. I don’t have any control of that. I just have the control to play my game.”

Sori digresses a bit at the end there, but that opening shot was loud and clear: I’m still on the field, and you’re in the booth; STFU, Bob.

22. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:34 AM

Now I want to kick Al’s ass…

Maybe Lefebvre does owe Bradley an apology. It’s still not right for a player to do what Bradley did. Do you think his intention was just to “introduce himself”, as he stated? Somehow, I doubt that.

“That’s my opinion and if you don’t like it, well, I have others.” ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 6, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply   0 recs

So he questions the integrity of journalists because he thinks they make claims without proof. MINUTES LATER, he decries Milton Bradley’s decision to confront an announcer for questioning his character. Why? Because he THINKS Bradley was going to be violent.

Here’s something for you, Mr. Yellon. If I ever run into you in the real world, I’m going to “introduce myself” to you.

23. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:36 AM

I’ve meant to post this for weeks. Want to know why the SEC was investigating Mark Cuban?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/112208dnbuscubanemail.1d52d49f4.html

24. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:38 AM

Do you think his intention was just to “introduce himself”, as he stated? Somehow, I doubt that.

He’s already made up his mind about Bradley, JG. In Al’s mind, he’s a thug. And nothing is going to alter that image. That’s why it’s called “prejudice.”

25. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:41 AM

In Al’s mind, he’s a thug.

In Al’s mind, most people are thugs. That’s what annoys me about him. Some guy challenges him by saying “Cubs suck.” The pussy responds with, “I can’t argue with you today.” Not “So does your mother.” Not “Eat shit.” He’s a total bitch with no backbone…unless you post on his blog.

26. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:42 AM

Basically, it embarrasses me that Al calls himself a man.

27. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:05 AM

Consider this:  Kevin Towers said Hendry backed out, Hendry confirmed the team had moved on, Padres beat reporter Tom Krasovic said the Cubs backed out, every national and local reporter said the Cubs backed out and now someone for Yahoo is saying it was the Padres who backed out.

Possible?  Sure.  Unlikely?  Without a doubt. 

Then also consider that the Padres and Braves were near a deal and the Braves backed out. 

I think the guy got it wrong.

28. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:08 AM

IMHO, this is the exact type of fierce competitor needed in a clubhouse full of miss congeniality finalists to prevent another sleep walk through the playoffs.

I mentioned this yesterday.  I don’t understand this line of thought.  The Cubs have Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Lou Piniella and Gerald Perry who are all as “fiery” and competitive as it gets.  I don’t buy the idea that big league players get to where they are by being nice guys.  I’m pretty sure with even the 4 I mentioned that are a part of this team that there’s little chance this team lacked in this department.

29. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:10 AM

It’s funny that Derrek Lee is mentioned as some cool, laid back guy. He threw a punch at a dude for telling him to “take your fucking base.”

30. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:13 AM

Sori digresses a bit at the end there, but that opening shot was loud and clear: I’m still on the field, and you’re in the booth; STFU, Bob.

That was a great line from Soriano.  I agree with what you said that these announcers and fans and even the media should be held responsible.  I’m not saying that means that someone like Milton Bradley gets to kick their ass, but he’s not the only one who needs to be responsible. 

Ryno is 100% right when he says that if/when Milton does well all the credit will go the Cubs for “straightening him out” and if he doesn’t do well Bradley will get blamed for being unable to take on the brutal fans at Wrigley Field as well as some of the most fiercely imposing media members in the history of media.  It’s a no-win situation for Bradley in that regard. 

The funny thing is that all Bradley cares about is winning games and being treated like a human being.  That’s not too much to ask.  At least I don’t think so.

31. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:15 AM

It’s funny that Derrek Lee is mentioned as some cool, laid back guy. He threw a punch at a dude for telling him to “take your fucking base.“

Yeah, I agree.  Things like clubhouse chemistry and everything that is included in it is a mirage.  These guys have much more in common than they don’t.  You just don’t play professional sports if you’re some nice guy that will sit down and shut up when things don’t go right.  I don’t doubt some are more outspoken than others, but if Aramis Ramirez falls asleep at 3rd base, Ryan Theriot is going to get in his face and tell him to wake the fuck up.  These guys aren’t friends.  They’re teammates with a singular goal—to win.

32. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:18 AM

It’s a no-win situation for Bradley in that regard. 

This is why Al runs the Cubs SBNation site. He is Cubs fans…

These guys aren’t friends.

I think this is what trips a lot of people up. I played on dozens of baseball teams. There were usually one or two guys on each time that I considered a friend. There were also two to four guys that I hated. How much did either group affect me when I was playing? 0.

33. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:18 AM

I’ve meant to post this for weeks. Want to know why the SEC was investigating Mark Cuban?

A much larger portion of the emails were released the day of the filing.  I think Cuban even posted some of them on his blog the day he was charged.  He may have broken a law.  I don’t doubt that he did.  I assume most people who get to where he is don’t do it by following all the laws, but I’d bet almost anything this was orchestrated not only by the government who didn’t like the film he produced, but also by Bud Selig.

34. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:20 AM

I think this is what trips a lot of people up. I played on dozens of baseball teams. There were usually one or two guys on each time that I considered a friend. There were also two to four guys that I hated. How much did either group affect me when I was playing? 0.

Yes, exactly.  It’s not like Joe Blow is up at the plate and thinking about how much he dislikes so and so in the split fucking second it takes to hit a 90 mph fastball.  Hitting baseball is a reaction and unless someone can tell me that reaction time is affected by who you like and don’t like, I’d like it if these people just shut the fuck up about chemistry.

35. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:23 AM

I don’t care if he punches nuns in the face on Christmas for fun, if he hits .320+/.400+ with 20+ HRs and 90+ RBI and can play in 140 games, he’s alright by me.

36. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:23 AM

It’s funny that Derrek Lee is mentioned as some cool, laid back guy. He threw a punch at a dude for telling him to “take your fucking base.“

Funny you should mention that. I was just posting this.

37. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:24 AM

The only time chemistry is a factor is when it comes to players wanting to play a certain place. If you’re comfortable, that’s one less thing on your mind. Other than that, baseball isn’t really a team sport. Pitchers work with catchers and that’s about it.

38. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:24 AM

punches nuns in the face on Christmas for fun

(dying laughing)

39. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:25 AM

The Brewers have lost Sabathia and Sheets and are likely to sign Mark Mulder and Trevor Hoffman.  Hoffman is still good, but not great.  Mulder, well, he sucks.  Can they even win 75 next year?

40. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:26 AM

I don’t care if he punches nuns in the face on Christmas for fun

I’ve been doing that for years and it is surprisingly a lot of fun.

41. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:27 AM

They haven’t lost Sheets, yet.

42. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:27 AM

was just posting this.

I can’t argue with you today.

Where’s our active BCB poster? We have a job for you.

43. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:28 AM

I’ve been doing that for years and it is surprisingly a lot of fun.

But, you don’t hit .320+/.400+ with 20+ HRs and 90+ RBIs for the Cubs.  When you do it, it’s just mean.

45. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:30 AM

Other than that, baseball isn’t really a team sport. Pitchers work with catchers and that’s about it.

Agreed.  People continue to say it is and mention football or basketball, but those sports are entirely different.  The key match-up in baseball is the pitcher and hitter confrontation.  It’s an individual sport with few aspects being team related.

46. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:33 AM

The key match-up in baseball is the pitcher and hitter confrontation.

The key matchup in Yellonball is Al’s D and some dude’s A.

47. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:34 AM

http://blogmaverick.com/2009/01/06/the-cubs/

A great post by Cuban. He just might still be in this thing…

I loved this comment:

I could not see any scenario where the Cubs were worth anywhere near the numbers that had been discussed in the media.

Amen!

48. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:37 AM

Has Bradley ever got into an actual physical fight with anyone while in baseball? I’m not aware of it. He doesn’t take shit and people hear it, so what? Zambrano beat up Barrett, Lee and Chris Young fought it out, Farnsworth… many Cubs got in fights and will again.

It pisses me off that Al assumed Bradley was going to beat the shit out of that announcer, or that if not restrained he would’ve done the same to others.

49. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:37 AM

Agreed.  People continue to say it is and mention football or basketball, but those sports are entirely different.  The key match-up in baseball is the pitcher and hitter confrontation.  It’s an individual sport with few aspects being team related.

How is turning a double play or relaying throws from the outfield to shortstop to home or bunting a runner over to second so the big hitter can drive in the run any different than an assist in basketball or in hockey?

I agree with your initial assessment in that it’s all in the pitcher/hitter confrontation, but it also doesn’t end there.  Individual plays are peppered throughout the nine inning frame of a baseball game, but it takes a team to complete an out—throwing from third to first.  The third baseman has to catch the grounder and make the throw just as much as the first baseman has to catch the throw.

The ultimate team sport is football, though, and I do consider baseball to be one of the least of the “team sports.”

50. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:37 AM

That’s a great post from Cuban, MD. I knew Reinsdorf wouldn’t let it happen. Not in a million years or for a trillion dollars.

51. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:40 AM

it takes a team to complete an out—throwing from third to first.

An offensive line has to practice together constantly and be on the same page. A 3B just has to throw a ball where a 1B can catch it. I somewhat agree with what you’re saying, but a battery is about the closest thing baseball has to camaraderie.

52. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:43 AM

Take the outfield, then.  These guys have to practice as well.  They have to range and cover gaps and know where the others are and their speed, reactions, even voice tones.

Any knucklehead (I’ll be the first to agree that I’m a knucklehead) that’s played a season of softball on a decent competitive team knows the rudiments of this.

I’m not arguing, just kind of reiterating that baseball does have a lot of team aspects to it, without totally being a “team” game.

53. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:45 AM

baseball does have a lot of team aspects to it, without totally being a “team” game.

It can have a lot of team aspects. It doesn’t have to, though. Five offensive linemen who never work together will be a disaster. Three outfielders who don’t might have some miscues every now and then.

Relatively speaking, baseball isn’t really a team sport.

54. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:46 AM

How is turning a double play or relaying throws from the outfield to shortstop to home or bunting a runner over to second so the big hitter can drive in the run any different than an assist in basketball or in hockey?

Exactly how much of turning a double play is a “team” aspect?  You have a few players involved while everybody else watches.  A relay from the outfield involves 2 or 3 players.  Same with bunting.

When this game began back in the 1800s people could argue then that it was more of a team sport.  Pitchers could only throw underhand and the goal for the pitcher was NOT to get the batter out, but let him put the ball in play so the defense could try to get him out.  The same pitcher/batter confrontation we see now used to be a confrontation between the hitter and the 9 guys on the field.  Once pitchers began to throw more sidearm they began to throw harder and eventually they threw overhand and the confrontation and the make-up of the game changed entirely.  No longer was the pitcher trying to let the batter put the ball in play or let his defense do the work, he was trying to get the batter out.  Sometimes that means using the teammates, but once pitches were no longer thrown underhand at 40 mph and location became important, it became much more of an individual sport than was intended. 

No other team sport has as many individual player confrontations as baseball does.  Batter/pitcher.  Batter/fielder.  Fielder/baserunner.  Etc.

55. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:47 AM

Relatively speaking, baseball isn’t really a team sport.

synchronized swimming. now there’s a team sport.

56. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:47 AM

Has Bradley ever got into an actual physical fight with anyone while in baseball?

Not that I’m aware of, HG, but I don’t know for sure.

57. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:50 AM

it takes a team to complete an out—throwing from third to first.  The third baseman has to catch the grounder and make the throw just as much as the first baseman has to catch the throw.

That in itself is an individual confrontation though.  Batter hits ball to 3rd, fielder tries “beat” batter (now a baserunner) by fielding it and throwing it on to first.  Certainly, many things take more than one player to do.  That simple groundball to 3rd is far more complicated than most people realize:  pitcher throws it, batters hits it, fielder has to run in, field it, throw it, 1st basemen has to field it and make sure he’s on the bag or tags the runner.  A lot of things going on there and a lot of things that can be screwed up.

58. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:51 AM

The ultimate team sport is football

I’d have to place hockey above football.

59. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:51 AM

Exactly how much of turning a double play is a “team” aspect?  You have a few players involved while everybody else watches.  A relay from the outfield involves 2 or 3 players.  Same with bunting.

When this game began back in the 1800s people could argue then that it was more of a team sport.  Pitchers could only throw underhand and the goal for the pitcher was NOT to get the batter out, but let him put the ball in play so the defense could try to get him out.  The same pitcher/batter confrontation we see now used to be a confrontation between the hitter and the 9 guys on the field.  Once pitchers began to throw more sidearm they began to throw harder and eventually they threw overhand and the confrontation and the make-up of the game changed entirely.  No longer was the pitcher trying to let the batter put the ball in play or let his defense do the work, he was trying to get the batter out.  Sometimes that means using the teammates, but once pitches were no longer thrown underhand at 40 mph and location became important, it became much more of an individual sport than was intended. 

No other team sport has as many individual player confrontations as baseball does.  Batter/pitcher.  Batter/fielder.  Fielder/baserunner.  Etc.

We could argue this all day.  I completely agree with you, Maddog, in that baseball is full of one on one confrontations.  But, it’s also chock full of team-based objectives like double plays (where two or three or four players can be involved) and relay throws.  The point I’m making is this:  while the entire team isn’t participating (haveing 9 guys partake in a single out would just be bad baseball to have to sit and watch), it does take a bit of teamwork to make the throws, catch the throws and make the tags.

P.S.; this site has gotten better recently.  Maybe it’s because I’ve learned to read.

60. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:52 AM

this site has gotten better recently.

?

Was it bad before?

61. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:53 AM

synchronized swimming. now there’s a team sport.

Very similar to Yellonball.

62. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:53 AM

Has Bradley ever got into an actual physical fight with anyone while in baseball?

Not that I know of, and I don’t think it matters, anyway. Fighting is a part of baseball. Jason Varitek is one of the most respected players in the game, and he popped A-Rod in the maws when he had the chance. These guys are competitive as hell, all of them, and sometimes that boils over.

63. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:55 AM

Take the outfield, then.  These guys have to practice as well.  They have to range and cover gaps and know where the others are and their speed, reactions, even voice tones.

But each outfielder is going for the ball and really the only team aspect is knowing if someone else is going to catch it.  No outfielder gives up on any difficult fly ball.  The only ones they give up on are the obvious ones that even the fan knows will be caught. 

As Ryno said, an offensive line is working together just as the defensive line is working together.  The 3 outfielders are never working together in that sense.  Each have the same goal that can only be accomplished in one way.  An offensive line works together in order to accomplish something that can only be accomplished if they work together. 

Sure, you could say that’s true for a double play and other things.  I won’t argue that there are SOME aspects of a team sport in baseball, but it’s minimal.  The teams aren’t really working together.  They’re working individually to accomplish something a a team.  In football they work together to accomplish something as a team.

64. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:55 AM

?

Was it bad before?

No, not at all.

65. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:56 AM

An offensive line works together in order to accomplish something that can only be accomplished if they work together

It still boils down to one on one confrontations for the most part.

66. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:57 AM

this site has gotten better recently

This is the worst thing to ever happen on this blog in the history of this season. I’m watching you.

67. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:57 AM

How was it worse before?

68. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:58 AM

How was it worse before?

Ferchrissakes, I don’t know.  Can you just strike the earlier comment from the record?

69. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:59 AM

How was it worse before?

Not enough horse-hating.

70. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:00 PM

Was it bad before?

yes

71. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:00 PM

yes

I’m done talking with about this. Prove me wrong.

72. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:01 PM

Was it bad before?

oh, it’s still very, very bad. it’s just gotten better.

73. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:02 PM

The point I’m making is this:  while the entire team isn’t participating (haveing 9 guys partake in a single out would just be bad baseball to have to sit and watch), it does take a bit of teamwork to make the throws, catch the throws and make the tags.

Fair enough, IAN.  I won’t argue with that.

74. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:04 PM

Steve Stone on The Score. Douchebaggery is sure to ensue. I will recap.

75. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:04 PM

oh, it’s still very, very bad. it’s just gotten better.

We’ve failed in our team goal.  We’ve all worked together around here to make this site as shitty as possible and if you’re saying we’ve actually improve it, we just suck as a team.

76. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:07 PM

Steve Stone on The Score. Douchebaggery is sure to ensue. I will recap.

That guy reminds me of the 15 year old boy who is upset that his girlfriend dumped him so he passed on a lot of rumors about her.

77. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:07 PM

Can you just strike the earlier comment from the record?

What’s wrong with the earlier comment? Was it bad?

78. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:08 PM

Was it bad?

Yes.

79. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:09 PM

What was wrong with it?

80. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:10 PM

oh, it’s still very, very bad. it’s just gotten better.

I’m confused…when did it get better?

81. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:11 PM

I’m confused…when did it get better?

IAN says it got better so we’re doing our job in giving him shit now.  Some may take it as a compliment, but not us.

82. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:12 PM

How was it worse, Maddog?

83. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:12 PM

This is terrible. IAN’s comments have cut to the core of me. I need a few moments…

84. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:14 PM

I’m just showing up, and I’m open to posting what you have in mind as long as I don’t have to be known as the “active BCB poster”, simply because I don’t actually post that much there because it’s largely pointless.

85. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:15 PM

“active BCB poster”

How about “the unbanned poster”, then.

86. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:17 PM

Steve Stooge recap:

—compared Milton Bradley to Gary Matthews, Jr. Seriously. Meaning he was serious. Ye gods.

—“The cold of April and May” will have an effect on Bradley. Right, Steve, because it wasn’t cold in Cleveland or Oakland. Steve Stone, blowhard extraordinaire.

—Milton Bradley is not a run producer

—His stats are a product of the “hitter’s paradise” that is The Ballpark at Arlington

—Milton has a “history of problems away from the field.” Um, no, he has exactly one series of domestic problems while in LA. Otherwise, no problems not involving baseball. No drugs, no guns, no nothing. Steve Stone, wrong again.

—The Peavy deal is “still hanging out there,” as Moorad will still be cutting payroll. Says Peavy is viewed as a no. 2 starter, and is an injury risk. Plus, he says Peavy should ask for his 22 mil option to be guaranteed in any deal, and that could scare off the Cubs. Says Peavy is surplus to requirements now, and that the Cubs should wait and see what’s available at the deadline.

—Says Archer doesn’t project well, Gaub will “never be a factor, at all” and Stevens will take over Howry’s role.

—Doesn’t like the Derosa trade.

—Is asked about Theriot’s defense and baserunning, responds by saying the Cubs’ IF is very small in stature, and talks about Aaron Miles as if he is the starter. Says Derosa was a clubhouse leader, even though he’s had no intimate contact with the club in 5 years. Then begins to pontificate on how Derosa’s versatility makes him awesome (MD and I have a special post on this in the works). Never does answer the Theriot question.

87. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:21 PM

Cone, since you’re around today, AMD or Intel?  I know I asked you this a couple years ago when I bought new computers, but I’m not sure I took your advice.  What say you?

88. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:23 PM

chicago radio host Laurence Holmes:

“If you don’t have a metric for crazy, I don’t want to hear about it! Throw all the stats at me you want! He’s [Bradley] not a winner!”

In his defense, he’s one of “those” White Sox fans, the Dr. Crawdad type who have such a grievous inferiority complex, they must denigrate each and every thing the Cubs do.

89. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:24 PM

How about “the unbanned poster”, then.

Deal

90. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:24 PM

—His stats are a product of the “hitter’s paradise” that is The Ballpark at Arlington

Convenient of the dumbshit to ignore the previous years, all of which were in pitcher’s paradises and, if I seem to remember, he still did well in. 

Steve Stone is not a bright man.

91. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:26 PM

Steve Stone is not a bright man.

Oh, he’s bright, but he also has an agenda, and that trumps anything else.

92. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:28 PM

AMD or Intel?

Not that you asked me, but AMD has some compatibility issues, though they tend to be a bit faster.  Depends on what you plan to use it for.  I had a laptop with AMD and after a full month of calling tech support for a few different programs to no avail I returned the laptop simply to get the Intel Dual-Core.

93. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:29 PM

Oh, he’s bright, but he also has an agenda, and that trumps anything else.

good point.  I agree with that.  He’s just so biased that it’s literally impossible to take him seriously.

94. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:31 PM

“If you don’t have a metric for crazy, I don’t want to hear about it! Throw all the stats at me you want! He’s [Bradley] not a winner!“

LMAO. Sports talk radio at it’s best! You know why sports talk radio in this town is mad DeRosa is gone? Because he was the best soundbite the Cubs have had since Mark Grace. Laurence Holmes doesn’t give two shits about the Cubs winning or losing. He’s not a Cubs fan.

As a long time fan of Stone, I no longer take anything he says about the Cubs as valid. He has had a real chip on his shoulder since he quit. Going to the southside and being surrounded by the inferiority complex that is White Sox baseball has made everything that he says about the Cubs sour grapes. I hate to see what has become of Stone. I once thought he was the best color commentator in baseball. I still enjoy listening to him call a game, but the rest of the stuff, he can keep it.

95. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:33 PM

Thanks TV.  I’m not sure what we’re going to get yet, but I thought I’d ask.  We currently have 2 Intel Core 2 Duo desktops and I’m not sure what my wife’s laptop is.  Mine is a Core 2 Duo.  It’s just that we use both desktops a lot and both have slowed down considerably.  It’s just time to buy new ones and I don’t know the difference between AMD and Intel.  I should probably buy a Mac, but that would require a little bit of learning that I’m not willing to do.

96. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:33 PM

He’s just so biased that it’s literally impossible to take him seriously.

He’s also one of those guys that wants everyone to think he’s really smart.

97. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:34 PM

You know why sports talk radio in this town is mad DeRosa is gone? Because he was the best soundbite the Cubs have had since Mark Grace.

Exactly. And Boers and Bernstein speculated yesterday that that fact might have been part of the reason for his exit, because that act wears thin in a clubhouse really, really quick.  But the media in this town eat it up. It’s the same reason they hate Lovie Smith. He won’t kowtow to them.

I hate to see what has become of Stone. I once thought he was the best color commentator in baseball. I still enjoy listening to him call a game, but the rest of the stuff, he can keep it.

Yeah, pretty much…

98. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:34 PM

That really bothers me too, ccd.  The man is knowledgeable, but he’s not as smart as he thinks he is and he says shit in a way that just pisses me off.  I’d actually rather have Brenly and you know how much I can’t stand him.

99. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:40 PM

Sheets would probably be a Cub if he weren’t a Type-A FA.  If Oliver Perez was willing to take a 1-year deal to increase his value he’d be worth the risk.

100. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:41 PM

The way the Cubs draft, JMan, I’d rather have Sheets.

101. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:42 PM

It still boils down to one on one confrontations for the most part.

This may have been said, but.. um… no. There are one-on-one confrontations, of course, but not at all “for the most part”. There are “double-teams” for one. For another, if a tackle gets beat by a defensive end, there is still the RB there to pick him up, or the QB to make the quick throw to negate the mistake. If a batter makes an out, even if the next guy hits a HR, the previous player still made an out and a run won’t be scored. Even if one player fails to do his job or simply falls down in the middle of the play, it’s still possible to score the full amount of points on any given play.

In fact, I would say there are virtually no one-on-one confrontations in a game of football.

102. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:43 PM

I know md, I agree. The baseball broadcasts as they stand now are brutal…across the board. Most have a young Thommy Brennaman impersonator and a dumb old ballplayer side kick. YUCK!  I don’t know what the solution is, but I’d like to see a team try and do something different…anything different. Maybe my old joke about giving Grace and Sutcliffe the mic’s and a half barrel of beer would lead to something fun.

FWLIW I think Stone’s best days in the booth were with Harry because he knew that Harry was the star of the show and that Harry would challenge him on anything. It kept Stone on his toes and he didn’t have the arrogance that he seems to have now.

103. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:46 PM

The arrogance Stone has is remarkable.  The man was actually in disbelief that he was never offered a general managing job.  Seriously.  The guy has done nothing to help organizations build clubs and found it hard to believe he wasn’t hired to be one of the most important people in an organization.  That’s just…wow.

104. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:47 PM

The man is knowledgeable, but he’s not as smart as he thinks he is and he says shit in a way that just pisses me off. 

I think it’s his self-righteous tone. he’s right and everyone else can kiss his ass. Even when he is wrong he makes excuses.

105. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:49 PM

What about John Smoltz?  Although I’m not sure if he’s going to be a starter or a reliever.

106. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:51 PM

Even when he is wrong he makes excuses.

That’s the worst kind for me. I make strong statements like I’m right, but when I’m wrong, I’ll (eventually) admit it. A lot of people here do that. It’s confrontational, sure, but when you know the another person will eventually admit they’re wrong (when they realize/think they are), you can at least have discourse because you know the arguing will probably lead to some sort of conclusion.

107. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:51 PM

Actually I think sports talk radio hosts are drooling over the opportunity to have Bradley in town.  They are no doubt hoping for his ultimate meltdown.

108. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:51 PM

The guy has done nothing to help organizations build clubs and found it hard to believe he wasn’t hired to be one of the most important people in an organization.  That’s just…wow.

I always loved that. He was so confident he could do a good job as GM. Maybe he should talk to Hawk Harrelson about going from the press box to the front office.

109. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:52 PM

The way the Cubs draft, JMan, I’d rather have Sheets.

that’s oh so very true unfortunately.  plus having Sheets make 20-25 starts would be a nice luxury especially since Marshall is one hell of a swing-man including Gaudin.  To be honest, it’s a more reasonable commitment to go for Sheets in a 1or 2-year deal than deal for Peavy. I’m not against Peavy but Sheets seems to be more cost effective.

110. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:53 PM

Actually I think sports talk radio hosts are drooling over the opportunity to have Bradley in town.  They are no doubt hoping for his ultimate meltdown.

I think this is also right, melissa. They love the guys like Derosa that can’t find a microphone fast enough, and hate the guys that call them on their bullshit.

111. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:54 PM

I’m not against Peavy but Sheets seems to be more cost effective.

That’s a good point, and IIRC, they made about the same number of starts last season, no?

112. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:54 PM

They are no doubt hoping for his ultimate meltdown.

Just another reason I’ve quit listening to talk radio and run away from most columnists/beat-writers.  They’d never admit but they will do what they can to get Bradley to flip his lid.  It’s pathetic.

113. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:55 PM

They’d never admit but they will do what they can to get Bradley to flip his lid.  It’s pathetic.

It’s already begun.

114. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 12:56 PM

I’m not against Peavy but Sheets seems to be more cost effective.

Value is the key here. If Hendry’s wanting to add another starter, he might as well add one that’s a significant upgrade. Our 1-7 is pretty damn good.

115. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:00 PM

Value is the key here. If Hendry’s wanting to add another starter, he might as well add one that’s a significant upgrade.

I’d think Peavy or sheets is a fairly significant upgrade.  Sheets will cost a 1st-round pick and at most a 2-year deal with maybe some vesting options.  Peavy costs a bunch of prospects and a 4-5 year deal.  The subject has been discussed over and over but just bringing it up since many pitchers are still on the market and rumors persist Hendry still wants to add another starting pitcher since Lou likes Marshall in swing-man role.(with Z and Harden very likely to spend time on the DL he’s a really good swing-man).

117. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:09 PM

So, how come such a great, great, great hitter is available?

Ummm…because he’s a free agent?

118. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:10 PM

I saw that, MD. I can’t believe the man actually gets paid money to do that.

119. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:15 PM

So, how come such a great, great, great hitter is available?

Ummm…because he’s a free agent?

Burrell, Abreu, Dunn, Giambi and Manny were all available up until yesterday as well.  So i guess that makes them crazy bad people as well.

120. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:16 PM

Heh, John Dewan is on the Score extolling the value of picking up 3 young pitchers.  He is also talking positively about Milton Bradley.  He said he is definitely above average fielder contrary to what others have worried about.  He is the Anti-Stone and of course his opinions are informed by the numbers.

122. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:17 PM

He is the Anti-Stone and of course his opinions will be ignored.

Fixed.

123. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:18 PM

Burrell, Abreu, Dunn, Giambi and Manny were all available up until yesterday as well.  So i guess that makes them crazy bad people as well.

Don’t forget Sabathia and Texiera.  I shudder to think what all of these players have done to have been available this offseason.

124. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:20 PM

Cone, since you’re around today, AMD or Intel?  I know I asked you this a couple years ago when I bought new computers, but I’m not sure I took your advice.  What say you?

Maddog,  I’m a very strong advocate of AMD but right now Intel has the edge unless AMD has figured out their cache issues. I’ve not kept up with it for a few months but knew they were to go to a new manufacturing process late last year or early this year. It would depend on what you’re looking for and how quickly. I build my own PC’s so I can pick and choose it’s components so I’ve never had compatibility issues so I can’t speak for that but AMD is not as lenient as Intel when it comes to those things.

125. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:22 PM

Convenient of the dumbshit to ignore the previous years, all of which were in pitcher’s paradises and, if I seem to remember, he still did well in. 

If he stays healthy he will put up monster numbers in Wrigley.

126. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:25 PM

Dewan just dropped his ultimate smack in Stone’s face by saying that Wrigley is actually a better hitter’s park than Arlington.  He mentioned Stone doubting MB’s numbers since he was coming out of Texas.  He’s now telling everyone that Fontenot is replacing DeRosa and that DeRosa was a -8 in the field last season and Fonte was +11. Projected OPS; DeRo .783 and Fonte .809.  “Fontenot is a better hitter too. hahaha”  He listed 10 reasons Cubs have had good off-season.  I’m sure he will probably post it at statoftheweek.com.

127. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:30 PM

Thanks, Cone.  I noticed the AMDs were a bit cheaper, which kind of told me that they lacked something Intel has.  I’m not looking for anything right now.  I’d like to get something in the next 6 months.  I heard that Windows 7 is coming out next November or December so I’d like to get a couple before then.  I never had any issues with Vista when it first came out, but I’d like to wait to get Windows 7 until it’s been out for a year or so. 

So you think AMD is probably the way to go assuming they do make the changes soon enough?

128. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:32 PM

Good to hear that the people on the radio are at least talking to someone who has a clue, melissa.  All you read about the Cubs is they got worse, which just isn’t true.  Worse from 97 wins?  Sure, but that’s because they weren’t a 97-win team last year.  If the season began today I think they’re a better team than they were when last season began.  If the Cubs can find a way to add Peavy or Sheets, they’re a legitimate 95 win team.  That’s impressive.

129. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:33 PM

yeah, if Bradley stays healthy he’ll be putting up the best offensive numbers any Cubs player has since Sosa was in his prime.  The guy is an outstanding hitter.

130. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:37 PM

So you think AMD is probably the way to go assuming they do make the changes soon enough?

That’s the way I’d go depends on what you plan on using it for. AMD as far as number crunching is concerned has Intel beat.

131. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:57 PM

I heard that Windows 7 is coming out next November or December so I’d like to get a couple before then.

If you want it now grab the latest build of it from the Newsgroups or from a Torrent..

132. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 01:58 PM

Al’s mad because Bradley wasn’t in his plan:

So your Opening Day 2009 Cubs position player roster, if I’m in charge, reads as follows:

C: Geovany Soto, Henry Blanco
1B: Aubrey Huff, Kevin Millar
2B: Mark DeRosa, Mike Fontenot
SS: Ryan Theriot
3B: Aramis Ramirez
INF: Alex Cintron
OF: Alfonso Soriano, Reed Johnson, Jim Edmonds, Luke Scott

(dying laughing). That’s right. Al wanted Kevin Millar, Aubrey Huff, Alex Cintron and Luke Scott…

And the pitching…

Ryan Dempster, Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Rich Harden, and Ricky Nolasco (not necessarily in that order)

   

Kerry Wood, Carlos Marmol, Jeff Samardzija, Chad Gaudin, Angel Guzman, Alex Hinshaw, Neal Cotts

LMAO. What a waste of time all of that was. The fucker actually spent time coming up with that piece of garbage.

133. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:00 PM

that’s a much worse team he put together.  But they’ll all be nice to each other.

134. J (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:02 PM

I couldn’t be happier with Milton Bradley being a Cub.

135. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:02 PM

Who the hell is Alex Hinshaw?

136. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:03 PM

But they’ll all be nice to each other.

Al has yet to figure out Fuck nice we want winners.

137. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:05 PM

I couldn’t be happier with Milton Bradley being a Cub.

Not even if he was teammates with Jake Peavy?

138. J (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:05 PM

Al has yet to figure out Fuck nice we want winners.

Yellon has had the better part of 5 years to shed that bullshit “nice guy” stuff and he hasn’t yet. There’s no reason to ever believe that he will.

139. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:05 PM

Ryan Dempster, Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Rich Harden, and Ricky Nolasco

To get that rotation, we need to acquire Matt Cain from the Giants and flip him and Pie to FLA for Nolasco.

We’d then trade Vitters, Sorryano and Zambrano to STL for Pujols and then send Pujols and Soto to BAL for Huff.

140. J (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:05 PM

Not even if he was teammates with Jake Peavy?

I stand corrected.

141. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:21 PM

Thanks, Cone.  I noticed the AMDs were a bit cheaper, which kind of told me that they lacked something Intel has.  I’m not looking for anything right now.  I’d like to get something in the next 6 months.  I heard that Windows 7 is coming out next November or December so I’d like to get a couple before then.  I never had any issues with Vista when it first came out, but I’d like to wait to get Windows 7 until it’s been out for a year or so.

Intel has been better recently, but AMD is usually the better value, IMO. Intel has the brand name, and that’s the main reason they can charge more. The difference in quality has never been equal to the differences in price in my estimation. I usually look at Tom’s Hardware Guide before putting computers together - they usually have good reviews of different components.

Oh, and I wouldn’t worry too much about Windows 7. It’s shaping up to be a pretty big improvement over Vista, and the main problem Microsoft has with new OS releases is usually with drivers. But they also have shown a pattern of having a “bad release” followed quickly by a “good one” that doesn’t have the same drivers issues. In this case, Vista would be the bad one and 7 would be the good one.

142. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:25 PM

C: Geovany Soto, Henry Blanco
1B: Aubrey Huff, Kevin Millar
2B: Mark DeRosa, Mike Fontenot
SS: Ryan Theriot
3B: Aramis Ramirez
INF: Alex Cintron
OF: Alfonso Soriano, Reed Johnson, Jim Edmonds, Luke Scott

Ryan Dempster, Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Rich Harden, and Ricky Nolasco

Kerry Wood, Carlos Marmol, Jeff Samardzija, Chad Gaudin, Angel Guzman, Alex Hinshaw, Neal Cotts

There’s not a single African-American player on that team.

Just sayin’

143. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:27 PM

Milton Bradley is a cancer and has never made the playoffs.  He only made the all star team once - last year as a Ranger.  That was a bad signing which will destroy any good will the players have toward each other.  The only thing he will be reliable for is one or two blow ups.  I also think Miles will be playing 2nd and leading off.  Soriano will be moved out of the lead off spot.

This from a good friend of mine back in Chicago. A perfect of example of how otherwise intelligent people listen to sports radio as they drive and get these platitudes stuck in their heads.

144. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:32 PM

There’s not a single African-American player on that team.

If Buck O’Neil’s not on the team, then no negro player should be.

145. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:44 PM

Al’s really opening up in the GROTA shoutbox.

146. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:46 PM

oog,
Let your buddy know that Bradley was in the playoffs with the A’s in 06 and Dodgers in 04.  Intelligent people can also overlook actual facts.

147. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:49 PM

Bradley was in the playoffs with the A’s in 06 and Dodgers in 04.

And his teams only won when he performed badly. It seems as though Bradley is the reason everything goes wrong.

Just sayin’.

148. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 02:55 PM

Let your buddy know that Bradley was in the playoffs with the A’s in 06 and Dodgers in 04.  Intelligent people can also overlook actual facts.

And when he tore his ACL in late September 2007 the Padre’s were leading the West.  They lost the lead after Bradley went down and then lost the 1 game playoff with the Rockies. 

Also just sayin’.

149. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:01 PM

They lost the lead after Bradley went down and then lost the 1 game playoff with the Rockies. 

A. Maybe they were tired because they didn’t have anyone to carry their bags, clean up after them and pick their cotton anymore.

B. Everyone (except statfags) knows that SD tanked because Michael Barrett was their catcher. (dying laughing)

150. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:08 PM

B. Everyone knows that SD tanked because Michael Barrett was their catcher. (dying laughing)

I can’t dislike Barrett, and I know I’m in the minority here.  He’s responsible for one of my two favorite in-game Cubs moments from the last 10 years.  The face punching of A.J Pierzinski.

The other moment, for some reason, is the back to back homers Sosa and Alou hit in September of ‘03 in the 9th inning to walk off (I think against the Reds).  My wife deleted the game from my Tivo and I still haven’t forgiven her almost 6 years later.

151. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:09 PM

Everything wrong about Milton Bradley has already saturated the super ego on the North Side. Milton Bradley is fucked. Worse than Jacques Jones was before he came aboard. The drunken cretins in the bleachers are going to let him have it from day one. Fuck Cubs fans.

152. J (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:09 PM

The other moment, for some reason, is the back to back homers Sosa and Alou hit in September of ‘03 in the 9th inning to walk off (I think against the Reds).

It was against the Reds, but it was 2004.

153. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:14 PM

It was against the Reds, but it was 2004.

See?  And I would know this if it hadn’t been deleted and I was able to watch it during offseasons when nothing is on TV.  No wonder I haven’t forgiven her.

154. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:19 PM

Wait for ESPN Classic to air Woody’s 20K game again. If you’re lucky, you can DVR the one-hour version that just shows the top half of each inning…like I did.

155. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:20 PM

The drunken cretins in the bleachers are going to let him have it from day one. Fuck Cubs fans.

Yep. I’ve never seen this level of hate from a fanbase and a media base before a player even arrived ever before. It’s sickening. It makes me embarrassed to be Cub fan and embarrassed to be a Chicagoan. Hell, it makes me embarrassed to be a person.

156. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:20 PM

Here‘s your game TV.

157. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:22 PM

Al’s really opening up in the GROTA shoutbox.

That was great. Al is a delightful individual.

158. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:24 PM

Thanks ccd.  It was more exciting remembering it as a Sept 03 game than an April 04 game.  It’s a good think god invented domestic violence.

159. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:26 PM

Yep. I’ve never seen this level of hate from a fanbase and a media base before a player even arrived ever before. It’s sickening. It makes me embarrassed to be Cub fan and embarrassed to be a Chicagoan. Hell, it makes me embarrassed to be a person.

They were pretty close last year when Edmonds came on board, not the media, but the fans.  And it wasn’t really hate, more disgust.

160. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:28 PM

And by the way, you aren’t a person…you have a person, it is your identity as defined by Black’s Law Dictionary.  I wish I was joking.

161. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:30 PM

They were pretty close last year when Edmonds came on board, not the media, but the fans.  And it wasn’t really hate, more disgust.

That was stupid, too, but it’s nowhere near the level of vitriol being aimed at Bradley. I was no fan of Edmonds, thought he was a cocky asswipe and general douchebag, but once he was on the team, I rooted for him just the same.

162. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:31 PM

Either this guy is another idiot Cubs fan or a pissed off Cardinal fan. Found this in a comments section on the Tribune.

John Anthony - Dixon, MO
Hopefully the new owner does the right things and fires Jim Hendry immediately.

163. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:35 PM

Al is a delightful individual.

He’s quite the rotund nebbish.

164. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:37 PM

Jame Gumb - Nunya, Biz.
Hopefully the new owner does the right things and sets Cubs fans on fire immediately.

Fixed.

165. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:48 PM

If you’re lucky, you can DVR the one-hour version that just shows the top half of each inning…like I did.

I have the entire game on VHS that can be played on my super trusty VCR.

166. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:51 PM

The other moment, for some reason, is the back to back homers Sosa and Alou hit in September of ‘03 in the 9th inning to walk off (I think against the Reds).
It was against the Reds, but it was 2004.

I also have that game on VHS that can be played on my trustyworthy VCR.

167. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:53 PM

You lose, Horny Shizzle Womb Vomit.

168. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:56 PM

VCR

no Beta?

169. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:57 PM

You lose, Horny Shizzle Womb Vomit.

jealous? I’d be glad to dub you a copy on to another VHS tape, but you’d need a trustworthy VCR machine. Over dinner?

170. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 03:57 PM

no Beta?

I recently converted all my Beta to VHS

171. ccd (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:00 PM

Beta is the best.

172. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:02 PM

I was sad to see 8-tracks go but now they’re safely on Maxell II cassettes for posterity.

173. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:03 PM

Over dinner?

You’d better stop, or the site will be covered in Yellon batter.

175. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:16 PM

You’d better stop, or the site will be covered in Yellon batter.

batter up! bwahahahaaaaa

176. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:21 PM

Marquis trade is a done deal sealed.

Well that’s awesome. Acquiring Jason Marquis to make half of his starts in Coors Field is like deciding that the bacon grease isn’t enough, and what that fire really needs is some gasoline.

177. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:21 PM

Gross.

178. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:29 PM

Gross.

grab some bench

179. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:35 PM

Seriously question:

Is this… all you do here?  Snipe at BCB from afar like a spurned lover?

I ask because I came here looking for an alternative to BCB - a site whose problems have been well-illustrated by the Bradley signing (both in terms of constituency and editorially) - and this place was recommended to me.

But just from reading the front page and many of the comments, particular yours Jame Gumb, it seems like you’re obsessed with that site.  I’m no fan of Al’s but it’s hilariously pathetic.

I guess I just can’t get away from BCB even if I wanted to.

180. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:36 PM

On the team game or not - I didn’t read every post but in my mind being willing to take a pitch for a baserunner, hit the other way to move a guy over, etc., is the team aspect. If there is an important team piece to baseball its on offense, not defense.  Not sure how that discussion originated, but by all accounts bradley is an excellent ‘teammate’- I.e. Players like him.

Separately, fyi - bradley poses and watches every home run - that stuff doesn’t bother me but if it bothers you, get used to seeing it (hopefully).

On cuban’s blog post today - read it if you want to understand where I’m coming from on the odds this team gets sold now (or not).  The only difference between cuban and the other bidders is that cuban has more cash, so he actually had more flexibility (which he currently is choosing not to use).

Bottom line is the trib thought this thing was worth, and bidders were at, $1bn+.  Cuban said he’s nowhere close now, and you can assume that means no one else is either.  Credit is not available, and no one has that kind of cash.  $500mm doesn’t move the needle for the trib…its not getting sold any time soon.  My bet is they are hoping one of these guys gets nervous that if they wait they’ll lose, and someone stretches and hits the bid.  As bad as a protracted sales process is for the team, someone stretching to every last penny is a much worse outcome - for the fan at least.

181. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:48 PM

Seriously question:

Is this… all you do here?  Snipe at BCB from afar like a spurned lover?

I ask because I came here looking for an alternative to BCB - a site whose problems have been well-illustrated by the Bradley signing (both in terms of constituency and editorially) - and this place was recommended to me.

But just from reading the front page and many of the comments, particular yours Jame Gumb, it seems like you’re obsessed with that site.  I’m no fan of Al’s but it’s hilariously pathetic.

I guess I just can’t get away from BCB even if I wanted to.

We talk plenty about baseball, and usually in a more statistically inclined way than at Al’s place. To be fair, though, some of the shit being bandied about right now over there, as a result of the Bradley signing, is fucking priceless. You and a couple of others were being perfectly reasonable, and made cogent arguments backed by evidence. The level of brain drain over there is severe enough, though, that it seemed like most weren’t taking you seriously.

Most of us don’t like Al because he’s so painfully hypocritical, and most of us have had run-ins (or just progressive disillusionment) with him. Because we find it funny, we laugh about it. And yes, many of us talk shit at one time or another. There’s just more right now because the Bradley signing is so polarizing, and Al’s reaction is pretty comical.

182. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:50 PM

I ask because I came here looking for an alternative to BCB - a site whose problems have been well-illustrated by the Bradley signing (both in terms of constituency and editorially) - and this place was recommended to me.

You’ll find that here, Wreckard, but you’ll also find that we like to have a lot of fun with the stupid things that people say.  Because we hurt the ones we love.

183. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:52 PM

Get your BCB-obsessed asses over to the new thread that’s up.

184. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 04:57 PM

I ask because I came here looking for an alternative to BCB - a site whose problems have been well-illustrated by the Bradley signing (both in terms of constituency and editorially) - and this place was recommended to me.

I could see how it could seem redundant if you’re looking for an alternative.  I agree that the discussions have a tendency to veer off course everyone once in awhile, but I’ve never participated at BCB or been to the site for that matter (no need since all the good stuff ends up as cannon fodder here).  Most of the time if you’re looking for an intelligent Cubs discussion, you won’t be disappointed.

P.S.  It’s a lot less like this during the season when there’s daily Cubs stuff to discuss.

185. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 07:42 PM

Thanks to everyone who gave me some advice on computers.  I appreciate it.

  Seriously question:

  Is this… all you do here?  Snipe at BCB from afar like a spurned lover?

  I ask because I came here looking for an alternative to BCB - a site whose problems have been well-illustrated by the Bradley signing (both in terms of constituency and editorially) - and this place was recommended to me.

  But just from reading the front page and many of the comments, particular yours Jame Gumb, it seems like you’re obsessed with that site.  I’m no fan of Al’s but it’s hilariously pathetic.

  I guess I just can’t get away from BCB even if I wanted to.

Like all places, Wreckard, this site devolves into a bit of ridiculousness from time to time.  Many of us around here were quite interested in what Al’s response would be when the Cubs finally did sign Bradley and he didn’t disappoint.  If you did read through the thread today, you’ve surely noticed that it’s not just Al that we pick on around here.  Especially today, with all of the sportswriters being complete idiots about Bradley, we’ve complained about them as well. 

There’s no jealousy.  I wouldn’t want a site as busy as Al’s under any circumstances.  As you even implied, the conversations there are rarely worthy of ever being involved in and that’s a result of being as busy as BCB is.  Al can have that.  I don’t want it and the people who regularly comment here don’t want it. 

Al is a pathetic little man who doesn’t know his head from his ass and while you may not agree, many people find stupidity funny.  This is no different.  I compare BCB to I Hate Horses.  It’s so ridiculously funny that it’s addictive.  The people on that site that actually think he’s being serious make it even more funny.  BCB is no different.  Especially Al.

Look, unlike Al we have never made this an all-inclusive site.  All Cubs fans are not welcome around here.  That may sound absurd, but once you welcome all Cubs fans you end up with the nonsense that goes on over at BCB where ignorance is encouraged.  You undoubtedly get your fair share of nonsense around here as well and I don’t think anybody would say otherwise, but when it comes to discussing baseball, which we do most of the time when there is actual baseball to be discussed, it’s a much different format than what you get on BCB. Nobody is telling you with every comment that they write that it’s their opinion and if you don’t like it you can go fuck yourself as Al does with each and every single comment he writes over there.  That, in itself, is hilarious because all of the people on BCB stick around despite Al telling them he finds their opinions to be of little value when compared to his own.  Think about that for a moment.  Opinions aren’t always sufficient here.  Opinions passed along as fact get challenged. 

As I said, this place isn’t for everyone.  Few places are.  If you’re looking for a place that discusses baseball in a more intelligent way and has people who like to have fun when there isn’t anything else going on, then this place is for you.  If not, I’m sure you’ll find another place.

186. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 10:36 PM

If you’re reading this and you don’t hate horses, you better get the fuck out of here! This website is not for you!!! Only retards and poor people love horses. SHUT UP!

It’s my homepage.

187. MB21 (view all comments) — Jan 06, 2009 @ 11:14 PM

It’s one of the best sites in the history of the internet, Boomer.  Have you had time to read through the comments yet?  Please, make time to do so.  You’ll not regret it.  Some PETA activist comes along.  It’s hard to imagine that people took that site seriously.

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