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Nationals at Cubs open game thread

Posted by MB21 on 08/23/08 at 06:14 AM • 203 Comments

B-REF PREVIEW | GAMEDAY | WEATHER | ACB CHAT ROOM

Odalis Perez vs. Cubs hitters:  .306/.375/.528 in 72 at-bats
Ryan Dempster vs. Nationals hitters:  .247/.337/.370 in 73 at-bats

When and Where:  12:05, CSN locally, MLB.TV for the rest of us

85°, 40% chance of rain, wind blowing straight out at 10 mph.  Against Perez, Ramirez is 5-11 with a couple of home runs, Derrek Lee is 3-10 with a couple of doubles and Reed Johnson is 6-10.  Soriano is 1-3 with a home run.  Christian Guzman is about the only National to hit Dempster well and he’s just 2-5.  Zimmerman is 2-6. 

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1. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 06:29 AM

Lineups:

Cubs:
A. Soriano lf      
R. Theriot ss      
D. Lee 1b      
A. Ramirez 3b      
R. Johnson cf      
M. DeRosa 2b      
G. Soto c      
K. Fukudome rf      
R. Dempster p

Nationals:
E. Bonifacio 2b
W. Harris lf  
R. Zimmerman 3b
L. Milledge cf      
R. Belliard 1b      
J. Flores c      
A. Kearns rf      
A. Hernandez ss
O. Perez p

2. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 06:59 AM

I thought Fukudome was going to get another day off.  Lou needs to sit that guy.

3. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:01 AM

Yeah, Fukudome needs two or three days off. This is bordering on the Dusty-Patterson days.

4. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:02 AM

Whomever is “singing” the Anthem is not good. If she was a horse, they’d have shot her.

5. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:05 AM

Whomever is “singing” the Anthem is not good. If she was a horse, they’d have shot her.

I had that on, then I had to have it off.

6. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:10 AM

It is a shitty day to play, just got back with the kids from soccer, it’s in the mid 80’s with 75% humidity. It sucks! Supposed to rain like hell in a couple hours, let’s put this one away early

7. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:15 AM

Anyone else having problems getting the full screen MLB.tv on Firefox?  I’m not having any problem with IE, but I can’t get the full screen on Firefox for some stupid reason.

8. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:20 AM

That should have been no. 25 for DPLee

9. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:20 AM

All kidding aside, isn’t it about time to get DLee ut of the 3 hole? Lucky for us two shitty plays on D by WAS already

10. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:21 AM

no DP for Lee. Rice’s record might be safe.

Belliard is hilarious at 1B

11. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:21 AM

It was a bad throw goat, about 12 feet high.

12. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:22 AM

isn’t it about time to get DLee ut of the 3 hole?

It’s been that time since about the middle of last season. He’s a 2 or a 5 hitter now. The problem is, there’s not a 3 hitter on this club.

13. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:24 AM

I think it’s a bad sign when I’m concerned about both DLee AND Fukudome being in the lineup at the same time.

14. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:24 AM

It was a bad throw goat, about 12 feet high.

I know that. I’m watching the game after all. He just looks very out of place over there.

15. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:26 AM

Got ya, yes he does, (dying laughing)

16. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:26 AM

I think it’s a bad sign when I’m concerned about both DLee AND Fukudome being in the lineup at the same time.

I’m concerned with at least half the offense to be honest.

17. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:26 AM

Theriot has the arm of a ten-year old.

18. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:26 AM

But he is killing us at the plate this series

19. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:27 AM

theriot is so slick out there

20. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:28 AM

theriot is so slick out there

His greatness can’t be measured on the stat sheet, HG.

21. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:28 AM

theriot is so slick out there

that’s one word for him

22. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:29 AM

Austin Kearns sure has gone down the tubes

23. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:30 AM

that’s one word for him

we haven’t used “dance fever” for a while.

24. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:30 AM

we haven’t used “dance fever” for a while.

vanilla thunder

26. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:36 AM

fukudome, dempster. inning over

27. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:40 AM

OK Theriot, let’s dance

28. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:41 AM

Fail.

29. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:44 AM

It’s been that time since about the middle of last season. He’s a 2 or a 5 hitter now. The problem is, there’s not a 3 hitter on this club.

It’s really an odd offense.  We’ve got several guys that can hit in the 2/5/6/7 spots in the lineup, no real 3/4 hitter on the team.  That’s just not common for a team as good as the Cubs. 

Lee is a 6 hitter at this point.  I used to be all for him hitting in the 2nd spot, but his groundball tendency would be a disaster there considering he rolls over on all of them and has no speed at all. 

We do have a number 3 or 4 hitter though.  Soriano.  I’ve been a proponent of him leading off and still am, but he’s really the only power threat and he’s obviously the best hitter on the team.  Not to mention if he were to hit 3rd, or 4th, his fly ball rate, his speed, and his strikeouts would nearly eliminate the threat of the double play.  Ramirez is a 5 or 6 hitter as well. 

What about Jim Edmonds?  Never thought I’d say this, but what about Edmonds in the 3-hole and Reed Johnson in RF?

What about this lineup?

Derrek Lee
Ryan Theriot
Alfonso Soriano
Jim Edmonds
Aramis Ramirez
Mark DeRosa
Geovany Soto
Reed Johson

Only one lefty, but it might be the best lineup we can run out there.

30. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:44 AM

The Cubs are going to lose this one. 

Cubs lose.

31. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:46 AM

Derrek Lee
Ryan Theriot
Alfonso Soriano
Jim Edmonds
Aramis Ramirez
Mark DeRosa
Geovany Soto
Reed Johson

Maybe. Lou will never do that, though, and i really like having Soriano up top. The best thing, IMO, would be to get Aubrey Huff over here, bench Fukudome, and have Huff play RF and hit third. Then You’d have:

Soriano
Theriot
Huff
Ramirez
Edmonds
Lee
Derosa
Soto
P

32. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:47 AM

No, Lou would never do that.  I like the idea of Huff, but I don’t really think he’s a number 3 hitter either.  He has hit like one this year though.

33. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:50 AM

Theriot is good on pop-ups.  He’s still an idiot, which is why he called off Soriano and then did nothing.

34. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:51 AM

Maddog- I’ve placed Bob Loblaw on retainer so I think we are safe

35. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:51 AM

I remember, once upon a time, how a certain former power hitter for the Cubs seemed to have lost it, and was hitting a lot groundballs and striking out a lot. The fans got in uproar, and cried out for him to be dropped in the lineup. The sad thing is, I’d rather have that man, Sammy Sosa, in the 3 hole right now than Derrek Lee. So where’s the outcry for Lee to be dropped?

36. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:52 AM

he called off Soriano and then did nothing.

That’s Soriano’s fault for not running hard. Lazy, lollygagging latino with no baseball IQ.

37. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:53 AM

The Cubs are going to lose this one. 

False. Len said the cubs have won 8 straight on comcast and 13 of 14. Cubs win.

38. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:53 AM

Here comes the Ramirez GIDP

39. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:53 AM

The Cubs’ power is gone. Ramirez and Lee seem to have no power, at all.

40. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:54 AM

I’ve placed Bob Loblaw on retainer so I think we are safe

At least you didn’t get Lionel Hutz.

41. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:55 AM

I’m calling a HR for DeRosa here

42. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:55 AM

I remember, once upon a time, how a certain former power hitter for the Cubs seemed to have lost it, and was hitting a lot groundballs and striking out a lot. The fans got in uproar

Hmmm.  I hadn’t thought about that one yet, but it’s true.  The way the fans treated Sosa was almost criminal in my opinion.

43. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:55 AM

I’m calling K

I lose

44. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:57 AM

DeRosa has a better chance of hitting one out than Ramirez or Lee do.  Pathetic.

45. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:57 AM

The way the fans treated Sosa was almost criminal in my opinion.

In light of the ambivalence with which they treat the struggles of Fukudome and Lee, what was done to Jacque Jones and Sosa by these fans is a cause for serious shame.

46. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:58 AM

maybe we need to re think what good power is after the steriod era. Power #‘s are down and most of our hitters are on the wrong side of 30 anyways.

we are on track to have 6 of our 8 starting hitters end up with 15-30 HR’s thats not awful- we just lack an Adam Dunn type who is going to hit 40 HR’s HGH or not

47. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:58 AM

Lee has been getting booed a bit lately, but not to the JJ level

48. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:58 AM

Oh great.  Fukudome with the bases loaded.  You can’t even hide that guy in the lineup

49. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:58 AM

Let Soto do it then

50. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:58 AM

Never mind.  i thought Fukudome was next, not Soto.

51. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:58 AM

now that’s pathetic

52. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:59 AM

Never mind my never mind.

53. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 07:59 AM

Was that the first pitch for Soto…Come on guys….

54. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:00 AM

maybe we need to re think what good power is after the steriod era. Power #’s are down and most of our hitters are on the wrong side of 30 anyways.

That’s a good point, DJ, and something that should def be taken into consideration.

55. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:01 AM

Absolutely fucking piss poor.

56. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:01 AM

What a completely hopeless AB. Two horrid AB’s right in a row, and the Cubs have already stranded 8. This looks like the beginning of a stretch of real bad baseball.

57. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:02 AM

I think it’s a little early to say we’re in a post-steroid era.  The studies I’ve seen have shown that the impact of PEDs are minimal.  We see power increases and decreases throughout time and I’m more inclined to attribute it to that.  You’re right though, there are several with 15-25 home run power and then Soriano who would hit 45 at Wrigley in a full season.

58. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:02 AM

what worries me about Fukudome is he isnt even squaring up his bat on the ball anymore- alot more obvious pop up’s.

its hard to realize that we are worrying about the leagues best offense when you watch the last few games

59. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:03 AM

Lee and Ramirez have lost power, but they’re also not squaring up balls hit in the air nearly as much. That has something to do with it. How much I don’t know. You guys figure that out.

60. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:03 AM

well on the surface it seems that power numbers are sure down in the last year or two md.

61. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:03 AM

Apparently we’re going to try and set a record for most stranded runners.

Was it SS that said this series was a sweep?  Every single time he says that the Cubs lose 2 of 3.  Every time this year.

62. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:04 AM

did you get that email md?


lets just hope that the team has a power september like we did last year

63. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:05 AM

All 3 contenders in the central playng the dregs of the NL this weekend.

64. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:05 AM

The wind is blowing out, and the Nats are bunting runners over in the early innings. How are the Cubs not obliterating this horrible, horrible team?

65. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:06 AM

What about Jake Fox as a righty bat off the bench down the stretch? The guy will be reaching his peak next year, and its time to find out if he’ll be a useful (if not everyday) MLB player.

66. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:07 AM

well on the surface it seems that power numbers are sure down in the last year or two md.

They are, definitely, but you could look at any number of years and see steep inclines and declines in offensive or pitching numbers.  We went from the deadball era to the most prolific offensive period in baseball history at the time.  It wasn’t steroids then and it’s likely not steroids now either.  It could be, but I believe these things are cyclical based on the evidence.

67. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:07 AM

jake fox is not useful

68. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:08 AM

What about Jake Fox as a righty bat off the bench down the stretch? The guy will be reaching his peak next year, and its time to find out if he’ll be a useful (if not everyday) MLB player.

Jake Fox makes a shit ton of outs. I mean, really, a lot of outs. He’s got real power, but just makes too many outs. If we’re going to bring up young guys, it needs to be DuBois, who is just raking, Kroeger, also hitting well, and/or Hoffpauir, who’s hitting .424 this month at AAA. Jake Fox needs to be removed from the 40-man, IMO. He’s not going to ever be an every day ML’er

69. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:08 AM

Dempster is going to have to shut this team out for the cubs to have a chance at winning in extra innings.

70. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:10 AM

Cy Perez shutting down the Cubs.

71. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:10 AM

well you have alot of former sluggers like Aramis show up looking thin, you see power numbers decrease across the board and all of this after new and stricter testing methods are put in place. 

Other than the testing and the baseball in the humidor what else has changed in the last 2 years to make this power # change come about?

72. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:10 AM

did you get that email md?

I’m not sure if I did or not.  When did you send it?  I’ll go check my other computer in a little bit.

73. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:11 AM

Other than the testing and the baseball in the humidor what else has changed in the last 2 years to make this power # change come about?

The return of the wide strike zone?

74. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:12 AM

Perez is undefeated career at Wrigley with a 3.45 ERA

75. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:13 AM

Did anyone catch Brenly’s comment earlier in the game when Washington walked Soriano intentionally?  Basically what he said was that walking Soriano was risky because he strikes out if you make your pitches and Theriot is a contact hitter.  WTF?

76. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:13 AM

Santo makes an interesting point, saying it appears the Lee and Ramirez are trying to elevate the ball, instead of trying to make solid contact and hit line drives. Quoth Santo: “Focus on hitting line drives, and the home runs will come.” Sounds good to me.

77. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:13 AM

Let’s all say it together:

78. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:13 AM

OH SHIT LEE IS UP IN A DP SITUATION

79. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:14 AM

Did anyone catch Brenly’s comment earlier in the game when Washington walked Soriano intentionally?  Basically what he said was that walking Soriano was risky because he strikes out if you make your pitches and Theriot is a contact hitter.  WTF?

I’m listening to the radio. The less Brenly in my life, the better.

80. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:14 AM

Jake Fox makes a shit ton of outs. I mean, really, a lot of outs. He’s got real power, but just makes too many outs. If we’re going to bring up young guys, it needs to be DuBois, who is just raking, Kroeger, also hitting well, and/or Hoffpauir, who’s hitting .424 this month at AAA. Jake Fox needs to be removed from the 40-man, IMO. He’s not going to ever be an every day ML’er

Fair enough. I just saw his numbers were good on the year, but didn’t realize he was punishing AA as a 26-year old. I guess what i’d say is either call him up and see if he can be a good bench bat, OR drop him from the 40-man roster…

81. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:14 AM

About time

82. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:14 AM

Wow. Lee makes solid contact and drives in a run. Maybe that will break the dam.

83. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:15 AM

Other than the testing and the baseball in the humidor what else has changed in the last 2 years to make this power # change come about?

that’s just the thing though.  There often isn’t a reason for the change.  There have been too many cycles and not enough changes to this game and all parks now have the humidor and when Colorado began using it, power had increased despite testing in place, but it decreased in Colorado.  That’s not much evidence at all, but it’s more than speculative evidence of putting two and two together over steroids and testing. 

Besides, and this is important, there are so many undetectable forms of steroids, HGH is still undetectable as well, that any and every player that was once taking these things is still taking them with the exception of the minor leaguers who get the cheap shit. 

When all forms of steroids and HGH are detectable, I think we can say this game is PED free, but until then I just assume these rich guys went from using the clear to another designer steroid.

84. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:15 AM

law of averages. I thank comcast

85. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:15 AM

Holy shit.  Lee with a base hit in a GIDP spot. 

I’m going to buy a lottery ticket.  Later.

86. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:16 AM

the more i watch lee bat the more i think Shawn is right about him trying to pull everything. If he cant hit the ball out like he used to then he needs to keep using the entire field to get his BA up there like he did last year

87. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

I agree with the others on Jake Fox.  I’d rather have Dubois called up who has more power than Fox and can actually take a walk.  Is Fox still on the 40-man roster?  If so, he needs to be dropped from it.

88. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!!!!!!

89. BellwetherMeltdown (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

Soriano.  I’ve been a proponent of him leading off and still am, but he’s really the only power threat and he’s obviously the best hitter on the team.

If you look at Soriano’s comparables, I’m 99.9% sure that of all hitters in the history of major league baseball, the player with the most similar numbers is Aramis Ramirez. I think Soriano’s peaks are higher, and his valleys are lower, but I think it’s melodramatic to say that he’s the only power hitter on the team, and that it significantly devalues Aramis Ramirez.

 

I swear to you I started typing this before the Ramirez at bat.

90. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

Maybe that will break the dam

Apparently yes.

91. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

And a homer!!! Buy two lottery tickets!

92. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

Lee and Ramirez, with HRs on back-2-back days!!!

93. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

just made it. whew

94. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:17 AM

Is Fox still on the 40-man roster?  If so, he needs to be dropped from it.

Both Jake Fox and Chad Fox are still on the 40-man.

95. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:18 AM

That’s the key.  Talk about how Lee and Ramirez can’t do shit and then they come through.

Hasn’t worked for Fukudome so maybe we need to get a little nastier.  Anyone know any Japanese?

96. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:19 AM

Perez has already thrown 60+ pitches in just 3.1 IP.

97. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:19 AM

Mister Saito is all the japanese I know

98. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:20 AM

And i should also say i haven’t had the time to follow the minors as much, and had completely forgotten about DuBois, Kroger, et al.

99. BellwetherMeltdown (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:20 AM

162 game averages

HR
Ram 30
Sori 36

Slg
Ram .500
Sori .518

OPS+
Ram 113
Sori 116

Soriano’s better, but he’s not THAT much better

100. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:22 AM

I was hoping Soto would get on so that we wouldn’t have 2 automatic outs leading off the 5th.  Well that and because getting on is a good thing.

101. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:23 AM

It does look like Lee has been hitting the ball hard again the last couple weeks. Other than the HR, he’s had a couple hard hit ground balls/line drives… by my eyes more than he was hitting in July and early August.

102. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:25 AM

If you look at Soriano’s comparables, I’m 99.9% sure that of all hitters in the history of major league baseball, the player with the most similar numbers is Aramis Ramirez

thanks for pointing that out, BM.  you’re right.  He has a score of 917 and is number 1 comparable to Soriano.  Very interesting.  I struggle to comprehend it considering:

one strikes out a lot, one doesn’t
one rarely walks, one occasionally walks
one steals lots of bases, one never does

They are similar sluggers though.  Very interesting.  I never would have guessed that.

103. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:26 AM

I just realized something…

Normalized for position, Fukudome = Eckstein.

104. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:26 AM

Both Jake Fox and Chad Fox are still on the 40-man.

that’s crazy.

105. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:28 AM

I just looked at something on ESPN that doesn’t seem possible, but i know it’s right.  Soriano leads this team in home runs.

106. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:30 AM

Soriano leads this team in home runs.

In significantly fewer games than either Lee or Ramirez. However, he’s just a luxury. Everyone knows this. Stop pretending otherwise.

107. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:30 AM

well say what you want about the offense but outside of Marquis we have some fantastic SP

108. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:32 AM

That’s true, DJ. The starting pitching this year has been outstanding, in spite of Marquis’ ineptitude and Zambrano’s inconsistency.

109. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:32 AM

I didn’t get your email, dj.  Did you send one today?

110. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:34 AM

And i should also say i haven’t had the time to follow the minors as much, and had completely forgotten about DuBois, Kroger, et al.

The Cubs signed Dubois sometime this year when (Cleveland?) let him go and he’s been raking.  It’s the PCL so you never know though.

111. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:34 AM

Another RBI from the luxury.

112. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:34 AM

Statpadding latino

113. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:35 AM

sent it yesterday md- maybe in your junk folder?

114. BellwetherMeltdown (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:35 AM

Fred Willard is singing the 7th inning stretch today.


A very small part of me hopes the Cubs blow the lead in the top of the 7th so Fred can lead off his rendition with “Heeeeey Wha Happen?”

115. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:36 AM

Normalized for position, Fukudome = Eckstein.

Theriot.  Take a look at what Theriot was doing this time last year, his first full season in the big leagues, and then take a look at what Fukudome is doing.  Nearly identical.

116. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:37 AM

The Cubs’ power is gone. Ramirez and Lee seem to have no power, at all.

I’m not sure i agree with that. Other than Soriano, they don’t have any bonafide slugger you build your gameplan around, but they do have him. And they’ve got the 5th most HR’s in the national league, the highest SLG (2nd only to TEX in all of MLB), and 2nd in total base hits. This despite their only fear-inducing power hitter missing a lot of time due to injury.

The Cubs, shockingly, are a very Moneyball team. They have a lot of good hitters that have high OBP’s and decent SLG numbers. They’ve gotten incredible numbers on the cheap from Soto and DeRosa, and good numbers on the cheap from Theriot. The lineup has its talent well-distributed. So while the Cubs 3-4 spots in their lineup may be weaker than a lot of teams (and their 1st-3rd-RF power, as well), that’s more than made up for by the talent they have at the bottom of the order.

117. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:37 AM

i actually think Z has been much more consistent this year than in the past 2.

118. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:37 AM

sent it yesterday md- maybe in your junk folder?

I got one or two from you yesterday that I know of.  I replied to you last night and then again this morning as I set up all the polls and formatting for the 3rd round.  You got those, right?

119. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:37 AM

Taekwondo official disqualifies Cuban fighter for time-wasting, Cuban fighter gets up and delivers a roundhouse kick to officials face. Yikes.

120. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:38 AM

Theriot.  Take a look at what Theriot was doing this time last year, his first full season in the big leagues, and then take a look at what Fukudome is doing.  Nearly identical.

Except that Fukudome has been nosediving for a few months now.  His final numbers will likely be much worse than Theriot’s were last year.

121. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:39 AM

Theriot.  Take a look at what Theriot was doing this time last year, his first full season in the big leagues, and then take a look at what Fukudome is doing.  Nearly identical.

“Tomayto/tomaaaato?”

122. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:39 AM

(dying laughing)! maybe i should have checked my junk folder because i have 4 emails from you there

123. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:40 AM

Lee also seems to be laying off the stuff off the outside corner more often.

124. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:40 AM

So while the Cubs 3-4 spots in their lineup may be weaker than a lot of teams (and their 1st-3rd-RF power, as well), that’s more than made up for by the talent they have at the bottom of the order.

That’s a good take on it, Shawn. I’ll have to keep that in mind. I’ve just grown increasingly frustrated watching Ramirez and Lee take pitches they use to drive and turn them into flare-outs to RF.

125. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:40 AM

I agree this team has power, a lot of power actually, Shawn, and maybe I’m misunderstanding pmayo, but I think he was talking about the traditional 3/4/5 sluggers that this team doesn’t really have.  They do if you consider that their best hitter is leading off and probably would bat 3rd ordinarily.  If so, you’d have a pretty powerful 2/3/4/5 or 3/4/5/6 depending on where you put Lee.

126. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:41 AM

Lee also seems to be STILL HACKING AT the stuff off the outside corner more often.

Fixed.

127. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:42 AM

I think he was talking about the traditional 3/4/5 sluggers that this team doesn’t really have

That’s pretty much my line of thought here, but Shawn’s right to point out that this team isn’t constructed on that model, and they’re likely better for it, or will be in playoffs, for sure.

128. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:42 AM

its only going to get more frustrating in the next few years when Soriano, Lee and Ramirez decline at the same time

129. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:43 AM

Fukudome through yesterday:  .264/.362/.384.
theriot through 8/22/07:  .286/.347/.373.

130. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:45 AM

I agree this team has power, a lot of power actually, Shawn, and maybe I’m misunderstanding pmayo, but I think he was talking about the traditional 3/4/5 sluggers that this team doesn’t really have.  They do if you consider that their best hitter is leading off and probably would bat 3rd ordinarily.  If so, you’d have a pretty powerful 2/3/4/5 or 3/4/5/6 depending on where you put Lee.

Yeah, that i agree with. They don’t have traditional power, especially the last couple months. Their best power numbers since July have come from their leadoff hitter, a CF literally pulled off the scrap heap, a catcher groomed to be a defensive specialist, a utility infielder. Oh, and their opening day starting pitcher.

The power is there, its just hidden. And i also get what pmayo is saying about being frustrated. I mean, it is frustrating to not have that uptick in power in the middle of the order. But its also cool/fun to have your 6-7-8 hitters crush the ball.

131. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:46 AM

Ye gods. Cue Keystone Kops music.

132. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:47 AM

And keep in mind that Theriot was +6 UZR last year so he was actually pretty good defensively.  His PMR is well above average last year as well and he was probably the best baserunner on the team, like Fukudome is this year. 

they’re ridiculously similar.  theriot is the better hitter (for average), fukudome gets on a little more and they have about the same power.  Theriot stole a lot more bases, each were really good baserunners beyond that and Fukudome is about 16 runs better than average in RF and Theriot was 6 above average at SS.  A positional change to RF for Theriot last year makes him about +12 defensively if he plays RF and it would make Kosuke about +10 at SS. 

I don’t think you could get more similar than those two.

133. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:48 AM

Fukudome through yesterday:  .264/.362/.384.
theriot through 8/22/07:  .286/.347/.373.

I guess the main difference is Theriot only has a true-blue-go-cubs-go filled house of worship, whereas Fukudome and Eckstein have people all over the country/planet all up in their jockstraps.

134. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:49 AM

Ye gods. Cue Keystone Kops music.

I was thinking the exact same thing - keystone cops.

How about… cue the Benny Hill music?

135. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:50 AM

(dying laughing)! maybe i should have checked my junk folder because i have 4 emails from you there

Why would it be flagged as junk?  You just put all my emails in the junk folder, don’t ya?  (dying laughing)

136. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:51 AM

I don’t think you could get more similar than those two.

But yes, the production levels are similar. And to add to your argument, Fukudome’s power numbers are better, but he also plays a corner position where the league average has a LOT more power.

137. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:52 AM

I guess the main difference is Theriot only has a true-blue-go-cubs-go filled house of worship, whereas Fukudome and Eckstein have people all over the country/planet all up in their jockstraps.

And that’s a huge difference when you think about it.  It’s one thing to have people in Chicago that want to hold your jockstrap, but if you can find one anywhere else in the world, you know you’ve hit it big.

138. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:52 AM

Is Dempster good at sports yet?

139. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:54 AM

When you do consider position, Shawn, i think it’s impossible to argue that Fukudome is better than theriot.  Then you also have to consider that Theriot was 27 last year and Fukudome is 31.  It’s pretty sad that I’m going to say this, but hopefully Fukudome can improve in one year like theriot has.

140. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:56 AM

Another tape-measure shot for Derosa!

141. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:57 AM

I just want to say i traded DeRosa 2 weeks ago in my fantasy league… to a team i’m playing this week… and fighting against for a playoff spot…

I’m still happy he’s raking, but disappointed in my lack of ability to predict the future without error.

142. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:57 AM

Mark DeRosa has more power than everyone not named Soriano

143. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:57 AM

DeRosa is crushing the ball right now.  Hit him 3rd.

144. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 08:58 AM

I’m still happy he’s raking, but disappointed in my lack of ability to predict the future without error.

Yeah, that’s pretty bad, Shawn.  You’re the only one around here who can’t predict the future flawlessly.  Jeez.

145. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:00 AM

When you do consider position, Shawn, i think it’s impossible to argue that Fukudome is better than theriot.  Then you also have to consider that Theriot was 27 last year and Fukudome is 31.  It’s pretty sad that I’m going to say this, but hopefully Fukudome can improve in one year like theriot has.

I agree with this, and when you consider salaries the situation becomes drastically worse for Fukudome. Who said the Cubs should have placed Fukudome on waivers? It wouldn’t be a bad idea - other than the P.R. backlash, putting Pie in CF and Edmonds/Johnson in RF (or Pie in RF) would be a major upgrade offensively, and you probably wouldn’t even lost that much defensively, despte Fukudome’s tremendous defensive numbers.

146. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:04 AM

Len said that Lee still has a left shoulder problem he never talks about. Did you see him wince after his last strikeout? I wonder if there’s anything to that. Very well could be.

147. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:05 AM

I’m not sure we did Mastrick the justice he deserved in this tourney.  I just got another email from someone who has had the misfortune of knowing him online.  DJ, he gave major kudos to the GTOD.  This image is from View From the Bleachers where Mastrick once wrote before being banned. 

148. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:06 AM

that was an ugly play

149. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:06 AM

Len said that Lee still has a left shoulder problem he never talks about. Did you see him wince after his last strikeout? I wonder if there’s anything to that. Very well could be.

I saw the replay.  That very well could be part of the issue.

150. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:07 AM

that’s a scary looking dude Maddog

151. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:07 AM

that was two ugly plays

Fixed.

152. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:09 AM

got him. As long as Howry doesn’t come in I feel pretty good about the cubs chances today.

Fred Willard needs to read the lyrics?

153. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:10 AM

Willard cannot sing and should never do things like this again.  Not even at home.

154. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:11 AM

that was two ugly plays

yeah, too bad Johnson’s throw wasn’t better. Would’ve been the last out of the inning. I think Dempster threw something like 12 pitches after that.

155. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:12 AM

Willard cannot sing and should never do things like this again.  Not even at home.

I’ve never seen anyone needing a sheet of paper with the lyrics before, (dying laughing)

156. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:14 AM

did I hear some boos after K-Fuk struck out?

157. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:15 AM

I’ve never seen anyone needing a sheet of paper with the lyrics before, (dying laughing)

False. You’ve just never seen someone willing to admit it and actually use the sheet of paper.

158. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:17 AM

I don’t have the volume on, HG.  Not sure about the boos for Fukudome.  I hope he never gets booed.  I don’t like it when anyone gets it, but I like the inconsistency even less.

159. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:18 AM

False. You’ve just never seen someone willing to admit it and actually use the sheet of paper.

way to destroy my illusions, SDG. First steroids and now this.

160. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:23 AM

I don’t like it when anyone gets it, but I like the inconsistency even less.

Exactly my feelings. I don’t like any one player getting singled out, especially when the team has a big lead, but the fact that certain players are always called out while others never are, is particularly galling.

161. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:26 AM

I’ve never been a fan of booing.  frankly, i don’t think it’s a whole lot different than having a staring contest with an 80 year old man who didn’t give you an autograph.

162. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:28 AM

Cubs.com just reported that Angel Guzman’s rehab runs out on September 1st so he’ll be activated when rosters expand.  Not at all surprising and as a one-inning guy he could be valuable down the stretch.

163. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:28 AM

frankly, i don’t think it’s a whole lot different than having a staring contest with an 80 year old man who didn’t give you an autograph.

See, it’s wild exaggerations and snarkiness like that that get you sued.

164. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:29 AM

the funniest part of Smooth Jazz Douche’s threat was when he whined about everything being exaggerated—uhh its a douche tournament you stupid fuck…...

165. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:30 AM

let me be clear that there weren’t many boos. I just heard a smattering.

166. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:30 AM

Nasty Carlos is back.

167. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:31 AM

I just heard a smattering.

You sound like Len Kasper with all the fancy words.

Lee day to day.  Aren’t we all?

168. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:32 AM

Cubs.com just reported that Angel Guzman’s rehab runs out on September 1st so he’ll be activated when rosters expand.  Not at all surprising and as a one-inning guy he could be valuable down the stretch.

Agreed. If he comes up and does well, staying healthy in the process, i think it would also seal the deal for not bringing Wood back. Not that i dislike Wood (he’s my favorite player), but that’s a few mil the team could spend elsewhere (like RF).

169. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:32 AM

Marmol!

Lee has back spasms and is day to day. Maybe a good thing. Let Ward get some regular ABs for a few games.

170. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:36 AM

You sound like Len Kasper with all the fancy words.

I’ll gladly take his job

171. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:37 AM

Lee has back spasms and is day to day. Maybe a good thing. Let Ward get some regular ABs for a few games.

or Hoffpauir

172. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:37 AM

now the game will be delayed. awesome

173. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:38 AM

or Hoffpauir

I don’t think he’ll be up until Sept 1st at the earliest.

174. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:39 AM

I don’t think he’ll be up until Sept 1st at the earliest.

Likely so

175. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:40 AM

If Lee misses a few days, I’d assume they’d give Ward a couple starts and maybe DeRosa a start at 1st as well.

176. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:40 AM

I’m so glad I benched Ramirez today. Really. It makes me so fucking happy.

177. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:40 AM

ramirez sucks

178. Horny Goat (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:40 AM

Is the Ramirez power outage over?

179. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:41 AM

Nice!!!

180. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:42 AM

It’s so perfect that we spent the first two innings bitching about Lee and Ramirez and the lack of power. I feel like such a fucking dunce.

181. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:42 AM

ramirez sucks

That’s obviously the key to getting him to be productive.

182. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:44 AM

I feel like such a fucking dunce.

When you talk about baseball as much as we do, we’re going to look stupid a good number of times.  I’m OK with it.  I’ve always said i’m wrong more often than i am right.  Today was just a great example of it.

183. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:45 AM

Is the Ramirez power outage over?

With his track record it means he’s likely to hit about 5 more bombs over the next 7 to 10 days.  With lee likely out a good number of them, it couldn’t have come at a better time.

184. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:46 AM

I’ve always said i’m wrong more often than i am right.  Today was just a great example of it.

Ha. Even the best hitters are only right about 30% of the time, I guess.

185. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:48 AM

Fukudome’s batting average is down to .262.  Average doesn’t mean much of course, but if he starts tomorrow it’s likely to be below .260 by the end of the game tomorrow.

186. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:49 AM

Even the best hitters are only right about 30% of the time…

And then there’s Theriot.

187. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:49 AM

Fukudome’s batting average is down to .262.  Average doesn’t mean much of course, but if he starts tomorrow it’s likely to be below .260 by the end of the game tomorrow.

Sammy’s out there, and all he costs is money…

[edit: I am, of course, entirely kidding]

188. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:50 AM

And then there’s Theriot.

Well, there’s only one God

189. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:50 AM

sean Marshall just has an excellent curve.  It’s much sharper than Hill’s, but has unbelievable movement.  I think Baseball analysts did a piece last year on curve balls and Zito’s had the most downward break followed by sean Marshall, Rich Hill and Ted Lilly.

190. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:51 AM

Not a good day for Marshall to pitch. His curveball does nothing in this humidity, plus, on long rest, he’s probably overthrowing it a bit.

191. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:51 AM

Sammy’s out there, and all he costs is money…

Barry Bonds could hit better than Fukudome right handed.

192. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:52 AM

Not a good day for Marshall to pitch. His curveball does nothing in this humidity.

(dying laughing).  You said that right after i saw the called strike, strike one, on the outside corner.  I haven’t paid attention other than that one.

193. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:53 AM

I haven’t paid attention other than that one.

I’m going off Gameday, but other than strike one, all the curves have been up and flatter than usual.

194. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:54 AM

Devil Rays-White Sox coming up on FOX. Should be a good game.

195. Mercurial Outfielder (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:55 AM

Cubs Win!

196. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:56 AM

You gotta feel good going for the series win with Rich Harden on the mound.

Dempster just keeps impressing.

197. MB21 (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:56 AM

I’m out, guys.  have a good one.

198. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:57 AM

Fukudome looks like he keeps trying to pull balls that are on the outside of the plate.  Earlier in the season he was going away all day long but now keeps trying to pull.  He needs to just get over not being a power-hitter.

199. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 09:59 AM

I’m out, guys.  have a good one.

it’s about time.  You’ve been in a glass closet for way too long.

200. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Aug 23, 2008 @ 10:50 AM

Holy crap, the Russian synchronized swimming team is ridiculously good at what they do…. and they got a perfect score.

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