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Playoffs and momentum in baseball

Posted by MB21 on 09/25/08 at 02:25 AM • 60 Comments

The Cubs will begin the first round of the playoffs on Wednesday, but other than that, much remains in the air with only 4 games left in the regular season.  The Cubs don’t know who their NLDS opponent will be, though they do know they’ll have home field advantage throughout the National League playoffs.  They don’t know what time the game will take place either.  There are 3 potential NLDS opponents for the Cubs:  Mets, Phillies, and Dodgers.  The Mets and Brewers are currently tied for the Wild Card and Philly is just one game ahead of the Mets so any of those 3 teams could win the Wild Card.  The Dodgers have clinched a tie in the West and barring a collapse, they’ll win that division. 


The Cubs will play the wild card team in the NLDS if that team is not from the NL Central.  They’ll play the division winner with the worst record if the Wild Card does come from the NL Central.  In other words, the Cubs will play the Dodgers if the Brewers win the Wild Card.  The Cubs would play the Mets, or the Phillies, if one of them wins the Wild Card. 

The playoffs are mostly a crapshoot anyway.  Sure, the superior team will have higher odds of winning a short series, but the odds they lose the series are still high.  The odds of winning or losing depends on the opponent, of course, but even if one team is so far superior to another that they have 70% odds of winning a short series they still will lose 30% of the time, which is a lot. 

Since the Cubs clinched the division and the best record in the NL, we’ve spent a lot of time the last couple days talking about desired opponents.  Obviously you’d like to face the worst team possible, but even then, the odds of losing are still relatively high.  SS mentioned momentum last night.  He argued the Dodgers were the most dangerous team by how they have been playing of late.  Myself, and a couple others, quickly chimed in that momentum in baseball does not exist.  I’ll get to that in a moment, but first, do the Dodgers really have the momentum over the Cubs?

Over the last 10 games, the Cubs are 7-3 while the Dodgers are 6-4.  In that span, the Dodgers have played the Rockies (1), Pirates (4), Giants (3) and the Padres (2).  Not exactly tough competition.  In that same span the Cubs have played the Astros (1), Brewers (3), Cardinals (3) and the Mets (3).  The Cubs have played 10 games against teams over .500 while the Dodgers have played 10 against teams well under .500.  And the Cubs have done better than the Dodgers.

Over the last 20, the Cubs are 11-9 and the Dodgers are 15-5.  Still, the Dodgers have done that against only one team in contention and even that team, the Diamondbacks, is under .500.  The Cubs have done it against almost exclusively contenders.  Over the last 30, each are 18-12.  So what we have are 3 10-game stretches in which the Cubs have gone (in order of most recent 10-game stretch) 7-3, 4-6, and 7-3.  The Dodgers have gone 6-4, 9-1, and 3-7.  No momentum in favor of the Dodgers.  None at all. 

In Bill James 1988 Baseball Abstract (taken from Baseball Analysts), James said: 

“As a sports fan you hear a lot about momentum. As a scientist you’ll have a hell of a time proving that any such animal exists,” James writes in “Momentum, Ad Nauseum.” By studying the issue, he concludes “that which is called momentum in baseball is not a characteristic of play but a characteristic of the perception of play.” He calls momentum “one of those superficial concepts that is hard to resist if you don’t think it through” and says “the illusion of momentum will in time, I think, be overpowered by its own absurdities.”

Momentum is a lot like those little things we often hear about.  Actually, it’s not.  The little things actually do have some impact though it’s minimal.  Momentum can neither be proven nor seen and changes on a dime. 

Joe Sheehan recently talked specifically about the Dodgers in a Baseball Prospectus article.  Sheehan mentions the 8 game losing streak in which the Dodgers were outscored 54-15 that dropped them to 4.5 behind the Diamondbacks.  They then turned it around and won 8 in a row (5 over the Diamondbacks) by a combined score of 52-18.  Sheehan adds this comment:

There is no such thing as momentum in baseball, and we’ve had any number of examples of this principle in just the last few weeks. The Dodgers are the most obvious one, but take a look at the Mets, who took a devastating loss in Philadelphia on August 26, and were trailing the next night late in the game with their ace having been knocked out. They won that game, and five of the six that followed, all on the road against above-.500 teams. The Phillies, meanwhile, dropped three straight off of that great win. The Dodgers’ performance turned on a dime on the afternoon of August 30. The Yankees had a number of points where it seemed like they would climb into contention, but could never play well over a long enough stretch to contend. The Astros are 29-11 over their last 40 games with essentially the same team that was 47-56 before that. No, wait: they’re doing that while being down their second-best hitter and highest-paid player, Carlos Lee.

Momentum is a lot like the hot hand theory, which is that you stick with the hot hand at whatever position or positions you want and ride them out.  The problem with this theory is that you can’t predict when that hot hand will return to normal production and you often hurt your team when employing this strategy.  The fact of the matter is that momentum implies that a team is capable of sustaining a level of play above or below their true skill level.  In order for one team to sustain a better winning percentage than they are truly capable of, it has to come from the production of the players on the team. 

Each and every player has a true skill level.  You have a true skill level at whatever job you do and in any short amount of time you could exceed that level or fail to reach it, but overall you will perform your duties at a level that you are truly capable of.  This skill level is repeatable.  It’s what your employers can expect from you and if you fail to meet those expectations for a long time, you will either be fired or demoted.  If you pass those expectations for a long period of time you will, if you’re lucky, get compensated for improving your true skill level.  In baseball this true skill level is always changing, but the amount it is changing on a daily or weekly basis is very, very small.  Over one or two or three seasons it could change significantly, but the idea of momentum for a baseball team is not a long-term process.  As such, the true skill level of any team will change so little in a short period of time that you won’t even notice it.  That’s true for players as well.

In Tom Tango, Mitchel Lichtman, and Andy Dolphin’s The Book, a chapter was devoted to hot streaks and cold streaks for individual players.  It’s really simple:  if momentum exists in baseball, individual players should be able to sustain hot or cold streaks. 

Between 2000 and 2003 there were 543 players who had a 5-game hot streak in which a player posted a minimum wOBA of .525.  There were 6408 total hot streaks among those players.  The average wOBA during the streak was .587.  The expected wOBA just one game after that 5th game was .365.  The actual wOBA in that game for those players was .369.  The expected wOBA for the 5 games following the streak was also .365 and the actual wOBA was also .369. 

Using the same years and now looking at cold streaks, there were 633 players who had a 5-game cold streak (maximum wOBA was .195).  The toal number of streaks was 6489.  The average wOBA was .151.  The expected wOBA on the first game after the streak was .336 and the actual wOBA was .330.  The expected wOBA during the 5 games following the streak was .337 and the actual wOBA was .332. 

Same years, but now 7-game streaks.  6303 hot streaks, average wOBA of .553, expected wOBA for 3 games after streak of .369, and actual wOBA of .373.  7508 cold streaks, average wOBA .186, expected wOBA for 3 games after streak of .336 and an actual wOBA of .328. 

If you take the 10 players who had the hottest 7-game streaks in 2003, the average wOBA during the streak was a ridiculous .712.  The expected wOBA after the streak (3 games) was .370, but these 10 players had an actual wOBA of just .341.  The 10 coldest 7-game streaks in 2003, average wOBA of .076, expected wOBA after was .324 and the actual wOBA was .324.

In other words, if hitters do perform better or worse than their expected levels of production, it’s not by much at all.  And certainly not enough to make a .525 team anymore dangerous than a .526 team in the future.  There is some improvement or decline after the streaks from the expected levels, which means that it’s not such a bad idea for a manager to stick with the hot hand, but it’s not a significant enough difference. 

As for pitchers, there is even more indication that a hot streak is indicative of how that pitcher may pitch one game after the streak, but not beyond that.  As for pitchers who have been on a cold streak, there is no predictive value in that streak in terms of how they will pitch after the streak. 

I’ll say what I did last night and what many others have said, there is no such thing as momentum in baseball.  You’ve got as good a chance, if not better, of being right by flipping a coin.

Before anyone tries to name a player or two, or a team or two who have remained hot, save your time.  Nobody is saying that a player or a team can’t get hot and sustain that performance for a short period of time.  It happens.  What I saying is that you simply cannot predict it and if you can’t do that, then there is no skill involved and it’s mostly luck.  Tim McCarver said something similar to SS this past Saturday in that he thought the Dodgers were the 2nd most dangerous team.  I don’t really know what dangerous means.  Any team that can eliminate you from the playoffs is dangerous.  Every single one of them.  While the better team is going to win more often than not, they are still going to lose often as well.  It doesn’t have anything to do with momentum or hot streaks or dangerous teams.  It’s just statistics. 

As for which NL playoff contenders you might want to face, here’s each of the 5 team’s offensive wOBA and pitcher’s wOBA allowed.

TEAM	wOBA	wOBA allowed
CHC	.358	.315
LAD	.333	.306
MIL	.345	.326
NYN	.346	.322
PHI	.343	.325

Same teams using VORP (Offensive and Pitching).

TEAM	OVORP	PVORP
CHC	275.4	254.6
LAD	172.4	263.2
MIL	190.9	225.2
NYN	236.6	193.9
PHI	228.1	239

And here’s defense measured by RZR and OOZ.

TEAM	RZR	OOZ
CHN	.835	419
NYN	.83	444
MIL	.829	449
LAN	.824	428
PHI	.819	474

So based on this little info and your own opinions, who would you rather face in the NLDS?

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1. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 04:51 AM

My favorite Cell story.

I went to this game on June 28, 2002, where the Cubs blew an 8-0 lead and lost 13-8.

I walked out of there - wearing my Kerry Wood jersey - and heard the usual Sox fan taunts, “Cubs suck!” (How original, right?)

I turned around and said, “I can’t argue with that today.”

Shut ‘em right up.

“That’s my opinion and if you don’t like it, well, I have others.” ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 23, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up

2. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 04:53 AM

As a scientist you’ll have a hell of a time proving that any such animal exists

A lot of things exist that you can’t prove scientifically. And I disagree about momentum. Not to get all (dying laughing) on you, but anyone who’s played knows how much easier hitting is when you’re hitting well. If your whole team is hitting well, there’s even less pressure on you. Same with pitching.

3. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:01 AM

If your whole team is hitting well, there’s even less pressure on you. Same with pitching.

I don’t disagree with that, but the question is whether or not it can be sustained, or in other words, expected.  If Ramirez hits like Pujols, can you expect him to keep hitting like Pujols?  If you win 10 in a row, can you expect the team to continue to win at a rate significantly above their true skill level?  Expected production is always going to be based on the true skill level of the members that make up the team.  You can expect variance in the short term, but not much in a large sample.

4. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:04 AM

A lot of things exist that you can’t prove scientifically.

Absolutely.  But the non-existence of something doesn’t prove it exists either.  It most likely (not always) proves otherwise. 

I’m not trying to prove it’s impossible.  It does happen for sure.  It’s just not something that can be expected.  Who has the momentum right now means nothing because we don’t know if it will continue.  There’s no way to know that.

5. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:05 AM

I still think it’s hilarious Al says that’s his favorite Cell story. Not, you know, when the Cubs won a game or anything.

6. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:07 AM

Here’s an extreme example:  A Yankee fan at Yankee Stadium recently caught 2 home run balls on 2 consecutive nights.  You can’t expect he’ll begin to catch an unusually high number of these based on that. 

That’s all I’m saying.  I’m not saying these things don’t exist.  They do.  Obviously.  I’m just saying it’s meaningless since you can’t predict it.

7. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:08 AM

For the eighth time this season, the Mets failed to win after taking a four-run lead, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

That is, uh, not good.

8. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:13 AM

the question is whether or not it can be sustained, or in other words, expected

It can be sustained as long as the feeling persists. I don’t have to tell anyone here as I assume everyone has stood in a batters box just knowing you were going to get a hit OR that there was no way you were going to get a hit.

You can expect variance in the short term

And everything should be viewed in the short term for the rest of the season. A hitter who’s already defeated by a slump will be worthless in the postseason unless their attitude changes or they get a flare or two. That’s just my opinion, though.

9. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:15 AM

I’m not trying to prove it’s impossible.

I wasn’t saying you were. James basically (from what I gather of the quote you posted) said it didn’t exist and that’s incorrect. It’s not quantifiable, but that doesn’t mean it’s not real.

10. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:20 AM

I’d be feeling a lot better about their chances in the post season if Zambrano would calm down a bit out there.  I didn’t care to watch him stomping around out there, giving Reyes the finger wag and all that non-sense.  If he would solely focus on throwing strikes, instead of the damn ump or the baserunners…

11. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:24 AM

A Yankee fan at Yankee Stadium recently caught 2 home run balls on 2 consecutive nights.  You can’t expect he’ll begin to catch an unusually high number of these based on that.

That’s a little different as the fan has no control over where balls are hit. A hitter at least knows he’ll see some pitches near or in the strike zone four times a game. A pitcher has even more control.

This goes back to my sympathetic/parasympathetic response to stress view on “clutch.” Some people are better equipped to handle stressful situations than others. Someone who’s hitting or pitching well will relax mentally and physically and be much better equipped to handle at bats. He’ll see the ball better. His muscles will be less rigid.

These are psychological facts about people that can be applied to sports.

12. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:26 AM

I don’t think it matters if momentum exists or not. I think players, almost across the board, believe in it and that’s what counts. Last year, the Rockies clearly had some kind of “momentum” or they were “hot at the right time” or something. The fact that they had won so much late in the year and squeaked into the playoffs had them looking like a team that wasn’t pressing and was very, very relaxed.

Until all that momentum ended the Red Sox pantsed them.

13. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:31 AM

I didn’t care to watch him stomping around out there, giving Reyes the finger wag and all that non-sense.  If he would solely focus on throwing strikes, instead of the damn ump or the baserunners…

I keep trying to qualify what I want here. Basically, I don’t care what they do as long as they win.

14. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 05:56 AM

And everything should be viewed in the short term for the rest of the season

I agree with that and it’s why I’ve looked at Fukudome’s numbers since a certain date, but momentum changes.  Who has it now means nothing.  Who has it next Wednesday means nothing.  Unless you can expect it to continue it doesn’t have much value.

As for standing in a batter’s box, I played organized ball from the ages of 5 until I was 18 and I never once stood in the box thinking I was definitely going to get a hit or I was definitely going to make an out.  I was a good hitter and felt good about my chances simply because I was a good hitter, but I never had that feeling and even the best hitters in the world are going to make more outs in the big leagues than they get hits.  I assume, I hope, every player standing in the box understands that and isn’t up there thinking he can get a hit or he can’t get a hit. 

Besides, that’s not the point.  The point is whether or not it’s something that can continue.  The Rockies won a million in a row last year and then got swept.  Whatever momentum they had ended like that.  The 1977 Royals had the most momentum entering the playoffs ever.  They went 25-5 in September and lost the ALCS to the Yankees 3-2.  Using the Cubs as an example, in 2001 the Cubs were 21-12 to begin the season and then they lost 8 in a row in what seemed like it would be the typical back to earth for the Cubs.  At 21-20 they reeled off 12 wins in a row.  The best stretch of Cubs baseball I’ve ever seen in my life.  From 1969 through 2004 the team with the best record won the WS only 8 times.  The team with the best September record won it only 8 times. 

Take the 1996 Atlanta Braves.  Defending champions down 3-1 to St. Louis and the win 14-0, 3-1, and 15-0 (probably the most dominating 3-game stretch of baseball I’ve ever seen).  They then beat the Yankees 12-1 and 4-0 to take a 2-0 lead in the Series.  The final scores of the next 4 games were 5-4, 8-6, 1-0, and 3-2 Yankees.  I remember thinking after they won those 5 in a row that there was no way on earth they weren’t going to roll over the Yankees and sweep them.  That NLCS and WS are probably the 2 most memorable postseason series in my lifetime because of how unbelievably dominant the Braves were for 5 games and then how incompetent they were the next 4. The Cubs lost 8 of 9 to begin September and then won 8 of 9.  Against really good teams while they lost those 8 of 9 to below average teams. 

Peaks and valleys.

There’s just no known start date or end date and there’s no way to know.

15. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:02 AM

Unless you can expect it to continue it doesn’t have much value.

It doesn’t have much predictive value to us. And I don’t care about that. My issue isn’t the magnitude of momentum, it’s the contention that it doesn’t exist. The burden of proof is on James to show it doesn’t and he won’t be able to.

The fact is that momentum can play a major psychological role in sports. Like you said, we can’t predict it. That doesn’t matter, though as what we predict doesn’t mean shit. The playoffs aren’t really predictable, which is why I chose “doesn’t matter” in the poll. I don’t care who we play anymore as I’m just ready for this shit to start.

16. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:06 AM

I wasn’t saying you were. James basically (from what I gather of the quote you posted) said it didn’t exist and that’s incorrect. It’s not quantifiable, but that doesn’t mean it’s not real.

I can’t speak for James obviously, but what I think he meant, and what other statfags mean when they say something like that is that there is no skill involved involved.  A skill is something that can be repeated.  Aramis Ramirez has a skill that Ryan Theriot does not (power and basically just being good).  Skills, as I’m sure you know, are something that allows you to do something over and over. 

By not finding any skill, as you said, it doesn’t prove it doesn’t exist, but it’s pretty strong evidence that it’s not something one can repeat based on their own skill level.  For example, if Ramirez were to steal 2 bases in one game, his skill level at stealing bases didn’t suddenly improve.  He’s no more likely to steal a base the next day as he was the day before. 

I think part of the confusion with statfags and other fans is miscommunitation.  As I mentioned, I’m not saying that momentum doesn’t exist.  It surely does.  I’m saying there’s no way to predict it and therefore only has meaning in the past tense.  The Astros definitely had some momentum this year, but then it was taken away by a hurricane and Barry Bonds.  Nobody could predict that, just like your fagstats couldn’t predict the Rockies last year.

Do you understand what I’m saying?

17. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:10 AM

That doesn’t matter, though as what we predict doesn’t mean shit. The playoffs aren’t really predictable, which is why I chose “doesn’t matter” in the poll. I don’t care who we play anymore as I’m just ready for this shit to start.

Exactly.  In a roundabout way, that’s what i was trying to say.  All that matters at this point is how the teams play beginning on Tuesday and as far as I’m concerned nothing from the regular season carries over and it’s how you play that day.  If the Cubs play like they have all year, they’ll win the NL pennant.  They’ll need some luck to win it all though.

18. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:11 AM

I think he meant, and what other statfags mean when they say something like that is that there is no skill involve

Of course there’s not. If there were, everyone would be doing it. Things like momentum fill the holes that quantifiable things can’t. Yes, it’s only useful in the past tense, but that’s still useful. It’s like WHIP v. Saves. WHIP tells you who will likely be better next year. Saves told you who was better at getting the job done last year.

They both have value.

19. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:14 AM

If the Cubs play like they have all year, they’ll win the NL pennant.  They’ll need some luck to win it all though.

My brain is making me (against my will) consider that they might actually win some games in October. I’m doing my best to expect the worst, though.

20. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:15 AM

Yes, it’s only useful in the past tense, but that’s still useful. It’s like WHIP v. Saves. WHIP tells you who will likely be better next year. Saves told you who was better at getting the job done last year.

Good point.

21. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:16 AM

I’m doing my best to expect the worst, though.

As you know, I used to be like you in this respect, but for some reason that changed before the 2007 season.  I’ve liked the last 2 teams even though the 2007 team wasn’t that great.  I was excited simply because Dusty was gone and there was hope, not to mention they were clearly the best team in the Central when the 2007 season began.  Same with this year.  I figure the best team will sometimes lose.  Nothing I can do about that.

22. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:19 AM

Nothing I can do about that.

Maybe. Despite my best effort, I still believe I have some impact on these games.

23. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:22 AM

Maybe. Despite my best effort, I still believe I have some impact on these games.

I used to believe so.  I was ridiculously awful about it.  I still have a couple things, like I’ve noticed this year that any team a logo is up besides the main one (the one with Wrigley and the scoreboard), the Cubs seem to lose so I won’t have others up in meaningful games.  I know it doesn’t make a bit of difference, but as the Great Dusty Baker used to say, it is what it is.

24. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:24 AM

I used to believe so.

I’ve gotten better too, but I still feel nervous when I shave during a winning streak or put on a particular piece of Cubs gear. I’m much more hands off this year, but I’m going to keep doing everything I’ve been doing most of the year.

25. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:26 AM

Kurt, from GROTA, took SS’s logo that is on the blog now and below and made it look a little less distorted.  Nicely done.

Here’s the original…

and the one Kurt cleaned up…

26. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:28 AM

I’ve gotten better too, but I still feel nervous when I shave during a winning streak or put on a particular piece of Cubs gear. I’m much more hands off this year, but I’m going to keep doing everything I’ve been doing most of the year.

I generally only shave when I need to look cleaned up, which isn’t very often.  If I were single, I wouldn’t shave at all.  Life’s easier that way.

27. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:39 AM

Just got back from NY. I went to the game Marshall started. Shea stadium hardly seemed the dump I’ve heard it to be. Better than Wrigley, to be certain.

28. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:41 AM

oog avoid shave back when Cubs win

29. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 06:54 AM

So, Maddog, if I read you correctly you are saying that if x hitter who hits at a .290 clip goes on a 10 day tear in which he hits .500…statistics show that x player cannot sustain such a clip, therefore, momentum cannot exist due to an inability to sustain momentum.


I would state that momentum cannot exist when said player is outperforming his mean.  Chances are that player reverts back to his mean, and the chances for that player to hold his momentum are minimal.

On the OTHER hand, does that mean that a player who does NOT outperform his mean can have a better chance at momentum since the odds show that he’ll need a hot streak to reach his projection?

I don’t know if that made sense…but I guess I’m saying momentum can not technically exist, BUT it has a better chance of existing in players like a Paul Konerko who hit WELL below their projection.

30. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 07:01 AM

Dools, to point out something Ryno (Jame Gumb) mentioned, momentum does indeed exist.  I’m sure you understand the difference between predictable and mere existence, but I wanted to state that again to be clear. 

As for what you’re asking if I understand it, you’re asking if a good player who is underperforming is more likely to out-perform his current numbers so that it would appear, on a season to season basis, as if he were outperforming.  Is that right? 

Like Paul Konerko who has hit well below his projections so far, one season’s stats are surely part of the future projections as we have additional data, but it would have to be regressed with his previous stats and therefore his expected production would be better than his current production. 

Take Carlos Zambrano for example.  Overall this year he’s underperformed his projections by a little bit so we should expect him to be better than he’s been, but probably not as good as the initial projections. 

Does that answer anything you were asking?

31. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 07:59 AM

Momentum is the wrong word. It’s a scientific term that refers to motion, combine that w/ many known variables and one can accurately predict when momentum, or motion, will end. (I think that’s what James’s point was.) When sports fans talk about momentum, they really mean “feeling good”.

32. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 08:03 AM

When sports fans talk about momentum, they really mean “feeling good”.

Excellent point, tyger.  That “feeling good” is basically what Ryno was saying if I understood him correctly. 

Thanks, you said what I wasn’t able to say for some strange reason.

33. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 08:50 AM

Rainout or no rainout?

34. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:07 AM

Rainout or no rainout?


At the moment it doesn’t look good.

35. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:12 AM

That’s fairly light rain right?  I would think they’ll play through light rain.  Anything else might be iffy.

36. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:14 AM

That’s fairly light rain right?  I would think they’ll play through light rain.  Anything else might be iffy.


All of the yellow isn’t light. The low pressure is just going to sit and spin off shore from the forecast. Coastal flood advisory for New York.

37. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:26 AM

All of the yellow isn’t light.

But most of the yellow is down near Philly.  LGA is LaGuardia and it’s all light rain.  it’s not suppose to get bad until after 11pm ESt.

I bet they get the game in.  It might only go 5 innings but there is no way selig wants to take a chance the Cubs have to play a makeup game in both NY and HOU prior to their first playoff game on Wed.

38. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:27 AM

Why is this allowed?

39. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:29 AM

Why is this allowed?

i don’t know, but i’m excited! i’m hosting the philly watching party. wooowowoowooosowowoswosow!

40. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:32 AM

I bet they get the game in.  It might only go 5 innings but there is no way selig wants to take a chance the Cubs have to play a makeup game in both NY and HOU prior to their first playoff game on Wed.

I bought the damn tickets this morning without even looking up the forecast…
All it cost me was golden testicles, 9 innings would be nice.

41. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:36 AM

But most of the yellow is down near Philly.  LGA is LaGuardia and it’s all light rain.  it’s not suppose to get bad until after 11pm ESt.


Either way it looks to be an ugly game with wind gusts to 35mph, and if the rain does move into the area by game time more and likely they won’t finish it with rain forecast into Sun.

42. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:43 AM

Either way it looks to be an ugly game with wind gusts to 35mph, and if the rain does move into the area by game time more and likely they won’t finish it with rain forecast into Sun.

NYM v. I-Cubs it is.

43. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:44 AM

i don’t know, but i’m excited! i’m hosting the philly watching party.

I tried to host a barbecue and everyone got mad at me and said it was the worst thing anyone had ever done. It’s not like I asked if anyone was tired or anything.

44. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 09:52 AM

I tried to host a barbecue and everyone got mad at me and said it was the worst thing anyone had ever done. It’s not like I asked if anyone was tired or anything.

You forgot the coleslaw is why.

45. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:00 AM

I tried to host a barbecue and everyone got mad at me and said it was the worst thing anyone had ever done.

worse than crucifying jesus?

46. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:15 AM

You forgot the coleslaw is why.

Nope. I did forget, but ccd offered to bring it and he was banned. They clearly don’t like cole slaw.

47. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:16 AM

worse than crucifying jesus?

I don’t know, but there’s nothing worse than asking someone if they’re tired.

48. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:39 AM

the brewers can’t sell out a game - while tied for a playoff spot - without giving away tickets.

49. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:45 AM

Why is this allowed?

Why did that guy say “down here in Kansas.”  Nobody says down here in Kansas.  At least not down here in Kansas anyway.

51. Jame Gumb ® (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:52 AM

Nobody says down here in Kansas.  At least not down here in Kansas anyway.

Oh…

52. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:55 AM

Since they pretty much knew tonight’s game was going to be fucked over by rain, what tool would go ahead and try to get the game in anyway rather than having a doubleheader yesterday?  Bud Selig is worthless.

53. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:56 AM

Team         W   L    RS   RA   W1   L1   EQR EQRA   W2   L2   AEQR AEQRA W3   L3    D1   D2   D3

Angels       98.  60.   747 673 86.6 71.4   732 698 82.5 75.5   740 704 82.7 75.3   11.4 15.5 15.3

How the Angels are doing this is beyond me. This probably makes the Cubs a superior team no?

54. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 10:59 AM

How the Angels are doing this is beyond me. This probably makes the Cubs a superior team no?

There’s always a couple teams who defy Pythagorean.  I wouldn’t say it makes the Cubs a better team.  At this point actual winning percentage is probably a more indicative measure of how a team will play from this point forward than Pythagorean is. 

This may not be popular around here, but I’d say that each American League team in the playoffs is better than the Cubs.  Fortunately they would only have to play 1 in order to win it all.  The AL is just so superior to the NL these days.

55. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 11:01 AM

This may not be popular around here, but I’d say that each American League team in the playoffs is better than the Cubs.  Fortunately they would only have to play 1 in order to win it all.  The AL is just so superior to the NL these days.

At the very least, each AL team has higher odds of winning the WS than do the Cubs simply because of home field advantage.  The Cubs lost a huge advantage the day the National League lost an exhibition game in July.

56. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 11:04 AM

The Angels still have a half of a real offense, Saunders and Garland are actually bad, and Scocia believes in the TLR school of managerial incompetency. They do have Carlos Marmol Jr. in that Ardando guy though. K-Rod and Scot Shields are sexy too.

57. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 11:32 AM

The Cubs lost a huge advantage the day the National League lost an exhibition game in July.

If the Cubs get to the World Series and lose, maybe we should all make up some “Bud killed us” shirts and proceed to complain for weeks on end.

58. MB21 (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 11:40 AM

What did we survive?  Wasn’t there a heat wave that caused a lot of deaths in Chicago 20 years ago or so? 

game thread is up

59. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 11:41 AM

I would be quicker to blame it on Soriano’s “me first” attitude.

Just like I would rapidly lobby for Theriot to be MVP of the World Series, a la David Eckstein, so smart Cubs fans can hear about it for years how some mediocre player is a winner and made things happen.

60. oog of ulams (view all comments) — Sep 25, 2008 @ 11:42 AM

And Pie’s partying.

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